If your having trouble gettin to talk to someone thats understandable. Kevin dispatches all the welders and is swamped. As for Shelia Ledbetter I don't have the phone number with me. You can look it up on their website. But if you really want to join go to Tulsa to the Hall and talk to them about taking the welding test and they'll get you right in. They do their own testing on location and are needing alot of welders.