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- - By The duke Date 09-03-2008 01:56
i had bought a machine from this company in norman ok. that was supposed to have been rebuilt completly. well lets just say it was a wreck. i have spent 4200 getting it rebuilt for  the 3rd time. after the intial sale of 5500. so beware. i have a million things to say about this little company. and none good. i only had this machine for a day before it died. then a month after that. the motor blew up. then the second month. after helping rebuild it with the parts he  had( wich were used) it died again. so please beware of this scam artist. my buddies here in texas on the pipeline @ compressure stations are aware.
Parent - - By K.Sexton26 (**) Date 09-03-2008 03:09
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Parent - - By sbcmweb (****) Date 09-03-2008 04:20 Edited 09-05-2008 15:09
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Parent - By KSellon (****) Date 09-06-2008 20:21
shops are Miller and Lincoln certified for a reason. shops are in business for 30+ years for a reason. businesses have business fronts for a reason. they have been and will be around for along time for a reason. If you love what you do for a living and are in it for more than just the money thats to be made during a boom it shows.

Here is my thought on aftermarket parts for what its worth. If you are in the middle of Wyoming and call my shop for me to troubleshoot on the phone and don't have OEM parts-- I CAN NOT AND WILL NOT ATTEMPT TO TROUBLESHOOT. Lincoln and Miller have factory specs for a reason. There has to be a standard.
Parent - - By texwelder (***) Date 09-03-2008 03:11
I looked at there website and seemed nice, but you never know
Parent - - By djm1987 (**) Date 09-03-2008 03:56
give me one with a little worn  paint , and a few dents and scratches. A little dust and grime on it. Then i know it has been out on the right away filling and capping. Grab a big 3/16 and high range and see what its got. Im leary of the high gloss finish, nice but has it been worked???
Parent - - By raftergwelding (*****) Date 09-03-2008 05:29
i wont give ya nothing but i'll sell it to ya lol if i say it works it does i absolutely refuse to sell junk if it's junk it gets parted out
Parent - - By sbcmweb (****) Date 09-03-2008 13:19
I couldn't see you doing anything less Shad. Maybe if I ever get some money, I'll grab that barrel off you. We'll see what this winter brings. S.W.
Parent - By raftergwelding (*****) Date 09-03-2008 18:05
it's still here right next to the 54 shorty i told ya about
Parent - - By Atlantic4x4 (**) Date 09-03-2008 13:11
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Parent - - By lincolnbobekin (**) Date 09-04-2008 06:12
The welder was a reconditioned Lincoln Redface Welder-and the description of the welder was accurate-This particular welder was SOLD AS IS where is. I fully expect every one to try out the machines and check em out before they buy my machines .

Duke called me multiple times because he was elated that the welder was an excellent machine-his very words are that it was like a Ferrarri because it welded better and ran quieter than any of his friends machines. Duke said that it ran so quite that at an idle it couldnt be heard-
and he was showing it off and he was estatic on the phone which was great!

Any problems that he had I helped him out (common decency) and he sent me several pictures of beads he ran with the welder.
   Around the second month he told me that the welder would overheat sometimes and we thought it was because it was sitting sideways in his truck bed and recirculating the warm air -so we were trying to diagnose it without him having to bring it to the shop.

   I was covered up with work-but i went ahead and had him come on up so we could diagnose the problem/He had told me that he had a job he was starting on Monday and it was Friday.I understood he was under pressure and needed it fixed.
 
   We tore down the engine and had found a indention in the #1 cylinder caused by a small broken piece of a snap ring jiggling around in the piston head itself-furthermore the cylinder wall metal got into the rest of engine and was eating up the bearings and crank shaft causing it to overheat -and it was determined that the engine needed replacement.

  I offered that he could leave the welder but he insisted on fixing it during the weekend
I had a parts welder with a engine in it and I offered that we would put it in but new parts wouldnt be available for the rebuild if we did it on the weekend- Duke made the decision that we would use the best original parts of the 2 available motors and put them together to make one .  3 of us tore down the welder and worked 5 long days to rebuild the welder and when it was up and running and he was satisfied that the welder was ready to go to work once again and he knew it was a one time offer,after all it was free!

I gave him a motor /5 days of my time and paid my help for that time and I allowed him to stay at my home and he got an honest and free edjucation  and free use of the shop .I  lost time for other customers even though I had it sold this machine as-is where is and Duke refused  new parts for the second free engine

You can call me what ever but how many people will take you in and help you like that knowing they dont have to. Sold As-Is Where Is means that the seller is not responsible once it is purchased and leaves the property.

This is an act of good will. and I am making an honest living- I understood and reacted the best way I knew how to Dukes personal situation
and put my own endevours aside to help Duke-this is an act of friendship and decency that cost me time,and money.

The customer was not charged for any of the services given to him -and I did my best as a small business to work it out for him,
under his conditions and his time frame and as a understanding person to his situation.
  
Customer started threatening slander/which is plainly documented here on AWS the extent to which it has gone to with this customer
I stopped helping the customer because of his threats.
after all this welder was sold as-is/where is in the first place.









   











 
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Parent - By Joseph P. Kane (****) Date 09-04-2008 18:34
It is always good to hear the other side of the story. 
Parent - - By Jeffrey Grady (***) Date 09-05-2008 04:25
Ron,
I have read this entire thread with great interest for the the truth and the other side of the story. I feel IMHO, that You went way beyond what was required. I find it to have been a bad decision, on the buyer's part, to have refused NEW parts for a second FREE engine. It would have been far better for him to have gone to a Rental Company and rented a machine for his new job, while You did the work on his machine. You extended an un-neccessary, but very Customer oriented act of kindness. I commend You for this.
Respectfully, Jeffrey
Parent - By lincolnbobekin (**) Date 09-05-2008 05:59
Jeffrey thanks
Parent - - By The duke Date 09-03-2008 20:51
that  one handed bandit is a sure enough crook. so at present time i have got 12 grand into this machine. take it from me dont  trust this guy with anything.
Parent - - By sbcmweb (****) Date 09-03-2008 22:30
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Parent - - By lincolnbobekin (**) Date 09-04-2008 09:00
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Parent - - By sbcmweb (****) Date 09-04-2008 11:54
Just wondered, I know slots are referred to as "one armed" Absolutely no offense intended! :-) Serious!! S.W.
Parent - - By lincolnbobekin (**) Date 09-04-2008 16:58
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Parent - - By sbcmweb (****) Date 09-04-2008 17:20
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Parent - By lincolnbobekin (**) Date 09-04-2008 17:41
Steve, Thanks for all the input- Your a great help.
Parent - - By raftergwelding (*****) Date 09-04-2008 21:02
The way i see it  (i was waiting to see if lincolnbob would reply and he did) if the motor went out in 3 times why keep messing with it there is something terribly wrong with the machine and it should be parted out i think bob went way above and beyond the call of duty to make this deal right lets face it you cant make all of them happy all of the time if ya want new then go buy new if not then deal with what you have
Parent - - By KSellon (****) Date 09-05-2008 18:14 Edited 09-08-2008 20:34
5500 and completely rebuilt with no warranty should have been a warning-- Heck our shop rebuilds them from end to end (complete rewire, rewind, new radiator, mag, carb,etc,etc,etc and offers a 1 year parts warranty, 6 month engine and mag warranty, etc for max of $6800...

It's like hooking up with the hottest thing at the bar and not paying attention to anything else--be educated and read the fine print before buying...
Parent - - By lincolnbobekin (**) Date 09-05-2008 18:53
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Parent - - By KSellon (****) Date 09-06-2008 20:25 Edited 09-06-2008 20:28
I am glad to hear it Ron. If you plan to be around for the long haul you have to offer warranty as a reflection of your integrity.

As is, where is, is never a good policy for anyone or anything for something that is advertised as completely rebuilt.

When statements are made that 'companies are associated' when they are not is also not a good policy.
When statements are made that a warranty service center for every MFG of welding equipment for over 30 years 'is not a wiring specialist, I am' is also not a good policy....
Parent - - By lincolnbobekin (**) Date 09-07-2008 08:57
Kay,I apoligize if I represented anything improperly-call me and explain what your hearing and I will explain at least what my brain was thinking when I said it-that way we will both know whats going on. Some how it seems like if you get a line beyond 2 people things start distorting- with respect Ron
Parent - - By KSellon (****) Date 09-08-2008 13:54
sounds good to me Ron.. I am chaulking it up to Drama until I hear from you.. Call me
Parent - By lincolnbobekin (**) Date 09-11-2008 10:13
Thanks kay,your a great person.
Parent - By lincolnbobekin (**) Date 09-05-2008 21:14
Duke did not bring me a welder to rebuild -I bought the welder myself and then reconditioned the welder
If anyone would like a price breakdown this welder I will post it.  
 
Parent - - By K.Sexton26 (**) Date 09-04-2008 03:31
dont that piss you off to know you could have bought a new 200D for that kinda money or a vantage and saved about 4 thousand!
Parent - By makeithot (***) Date 09-08-2008 03:26
That would be my guess too you can spend all the money you want on an old machine but in the end you still have an old machine.
Parent - By Joseph P. Kane (****) Date 09-04-2008 18:36
Duke

If what lincolnbobekin saya is true, I feel that you owe the rest of us an apology.
Parent - - By Iron Head 49 (***) Date 09-04-2008 10:09
duke, I feel your pain! In my opinion anything mechanical will let you down in time. Fact of life!
Sounds to me lincolnbobekin (Ron) went way up and beyond the call of duty to help you out! Here in the last few weeks I have dealt with Ron, and plan on doing more business with him.

If you want to read some real horror stories, go to any Ford truck forum. Read the 6.0-liter section. The years 2003.5 up until late 2007 were the worst for poor ol Bill Ford. I've read numerous stories of guys spending in excess of 40-grand for their new truck and left setting on the side of the road time and time again.

So see, it could be worse! You bought a used very old machine, these Ford truck owners bought new off the lot!    
Parent - - By rockin d (**) Date 09-04-2008 10:41
I agree, my ford 2004 6.0 f350 that i bought w/ 30 miles has been nothing but trouble since day 1 . just last month it went to the shop 3times, --2 out of 3 i was not 20 minutes away from just picking it up, from the shop(dealership) you just never know what your going to get. From Ron's point of view , he tried his best.
Parent - - By K.Sexton26 (**) Date 09-04-2008 14:25
iv read several threads on this forum of guys buying 30 to 40 year old machines,seems like there expecting a new machine when the seller has told them its been rebuilt with used parts most of the time. i hate to see anybody have a horror story happen to them. the older sa200 are good machines i have one myself but there not indestructable, unless you buy one that has a brand new engine not a rebuilt one your taking that chance every time. unless i knew the guy personally that rebuilt my machine i wouldnt spend 5 grand on a 40 year old welder maybe 2 to 3 grand. thats my opinion, and ron sounds like you went above and beyound to help duke more than most people would have done. theres a reason Tom Fowlers machines cost 8,000 to 12,000 dollars there new machines. theres alot of people gettin in the welder refurbish bussiness thats trying to make a quick dollar, unless i can talk to somebody that have bought a machine from them i wouldnt doit. go some were reputable hybriweld,stumpfs,billswelder repair, and several more. i ain't saying lincolnbob's not reputable i don't know him or his bussiness just what i've read on the forum.
Parent - - By sbcmweb (****) Date 09-04-2008 15:07
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Parent - - By K.Sexton26 (**) Date 09-04-2008 15:44 Edited 09-04-2008 15:54
totally agree, sounds like a decent guy you never know to youve heard both sides of the story. like i said and someboby else mentioned it to when buying a used welding machine, id rather buy a machine thats been took care of and used then one that has all new paint and extra BLING! it always seems there trying to hide something by distracting you with how good the outside looks. it funny when you go to buy something like thirty year old machine on the phone seller tells you oh ya good machine ran last time i welded with it been sitin awhile, but should fire right up. and get there engines been powerwhased, oilchanged,hourmeter aint the same as he told you couple years older than its supposed to be all that good stuff 
Parent - - By lincolnbobekin (**) Date 09-04-2008 16:07
K.sexton , I rebuild good machines and make them look good to-there is nothing wrong with having the best of both worlds- If I have to pick  a side -I agree with you-the machine is for work and needs to be mechanically sound first.
Parent - - By K.Sexton26 (**) Date 09-04-2008 17:52
i was wasnt talking about your machines lincolnbob your machines look good man real nice, thats what you do is makem look nice. im talking about buying one from the general public if that makes since. i want my machine to look good too like everybody else,how a person takes care of equipment is an extension of pride and craftmanship!! the best of luck to you and your bussiness. kevin
Parent - - By lincolnbobekin (**) Date 09-05-2008 01:33
Kevin,thank you
Parent - - By texasrigwelder (**) Date 09-05-2008 02:20
i bought an old machine from ron about 2yrs ago(i guess about the time he started messing with them) for an extra for my dad it was the ugliest smurf blue beat to hell thing id ever seen, then my dad gave it to his preacher who has welded with it almost every day with no pron , ron is a strai shooting guy in my opion he was super nice , and a stand up guy ive been think of callin him up to redo one of my old ones
Tanner
Parent - By lincolnbobekin (**) Date 09-05-2008 04:04
Tanner  -and that ugly smurf blue beat to hell welder is one hell of a welder for a ugly smurf blue beat to hell welder-call me when your ready to fix up that other welder- Ron 405-209-8926  www.lincolnbobekin.com -thanks and great to hear from ya!
Parent - - By K.Sexton26 (**) Date 09-05-2008 03:52
i also thank a apology sould be posted, and i deleted my first post regarding the topic, i posted before i heard both sides of the story it was kinda negative toward lincolnbob but not intended that way. my apology!  if you expect new buy new, used is used even if its rebuilt its still used
Parent - By lincolnbobekin (**) Date 09-05-2008 04:38
K.sexton26 Thanks your great! Ron
Parent - - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 09-05-2008 03:40
     If You expect to use an old [not completely refurbished] machine to make a living You had better be a good mechanic, and understand that You WILL have to work on the machine from time to time and those times WILL NOT BE CONVINIENT. Are ANY of You guys driving 40 year old rig trucks ? I didn't think so.
     The machine is no different. Old machinerey takes a different mindset. If You expect Your machine to work with only routine maintainance, You had better start with a new one, hope it is a good one, and turn it over before it gets old.
Parent - - By K.Sexton26 (**) Date 09-05-2008 03:57 Edited 09-05-2008 04:32
every thing mechanical tears up eventually, even redface sa200's there not indestructable! if i was going to sell rebuilt and refurbished machines for topshelf prices i would have to offer some kinda warranty on them. and i know this is a hot topic but i gonna say it any way i dont see spending anywere fom 5500 to 7000 dollars for a sa200 when lincoln offers two machines equall in quality and diesel engine to boot for a few more grand and not have to worry about it taking a dump on the ROW or even pro300,pipepro304 yes i said it. ive welded with three different pipepro's and several XMT 304's they are the most consistent machine i have ever welded with true they do cost more to fix and complex but there slick im not a miller man.the older sa200 are not consistent from one to the other but they got that cassic arc everybody likes inculding me. i searched for almost two years to find the perfect sa200 with the right price there out there you just gotta look and dont buy the first one you find you have to shop around, mine is a 1997 classic1 only had 748hrs or so on it TM27 motor all sheetmetal perfect paint was good to be 11 years old $1700 dollars all i had to do to it so far put new battery in it knock on wood the gentleman that had it took real good care of it one owner. you just gotta hunt for them
Parent - - By vagabond (***) Date 09-05-2008 04:05
Shoot I'll buy one of your welders if I can come stay with you for a week and learn how to work on them!!!!  Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.  How's the food??
Parent - - By lincolnbobekin (**) Date 09-05-2008 05:02
Well My girl friend wanted to inform you that she fed The Duke and washed our cloths daily-she prepared the food and washed the dishes for three of us and the food was great! She cleaned up our messes -brought us drinks at the shop and even watched the duke weld with the welder.The Duke also recieved(as a bonus) Free cable Tv w/ remote-Airconditioning-Free lodging-W/couch and free bull ****ting,jokes,and even conspiracy theories and beer along with a free edjucation. My girl friend is upset because she had to spend $200 on groceries.  May need to bring grocery money-and I do have several small tents if she throws us out.
Parent - By RANDER (***) Date 09-05-2008 05:16
Well this thread reminds me that we should be careful to pass judgment until the whole story is heard.  We also do not really know the whole story as all the players in this play can be telling the truth or lying.  I would love to believe lincolnbobelkin and since the duke has offered no rebuttal at this time I tend to believe him and hope his name and business has not been sullied too much.  Care should be taken to work these things out and fully understand the situation before posting such messages  on the net.  It's not as anonymous as most would believe. 
Parent - By rockin d (**) Date 09-05-2008 11:14
hell im thinkin of taking a week off of work & go vacation @ your place , I'll even take my welder to put some bling on it lol...
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