Feel free but you don't know your numbers.
I spent way too much time going over this a while back but the bottom line is this:
The company you work for pays (I believe) $55/hour straight contract and no supply, while requiring a sizable liability policy provided by the welder. No fica witheld, no unemployment paid, no workmans comp, ect, 1099 hands responsible for both sides of fica plus self employment tax, ect, ect.
I don't dog on a man for doing the work he's capable of doing and the work he enjoys but $55/hr contract while furnishing is at the low range of what a rig welder can make in America today.
The guys welding on heavy equipment are charging well over $80/hr in the mountain west states.
A Pipeline welder employee, working for a main line contractor makes considerably more than that while furnishing no liability insurance, furnishing no consumables, gasses, ect...making time and a half on all overtime.
For me to employ a PL welder, make his payroll, pay his benefit package,half his fica, state and federal unemployment, cover his work with liability insurance and workmans comp insurance I have to bill that welder out at over $115 per hour straight time and over $146 an hour overtime.
Face it man, if the drill rig yard payed more than PL welding the PL contractors wouldn't have welders lining up to take stringent pre employment tests and face 100% xray in a fast paced environment. They'd all be welding junk iron in a drill rig yard.
JTMcC.
I've got to second this one, every place I've been you can make more on a PL job than around town doing plant work etc. I'm sure there are niches here and there but overall I think the pipeline industry pays more. Of course you've got the typical cut throat outfits in both fields, where guys have their so-called job security if you will. So you always have work for some a*****e who won't give you enough money to take a couple of months off every year. Realistically it's what you like to do because fab yard work and PL work is worlds apart from what I've seen. Everybody has their likes and dislikes I always like working in breweries/food plants when I had a rig, some guys hate it. Besides it's not all about the money is it??? Oh yeah I forgot it is all about the money. . . . . LOL
Well it's not ALL about the money, but it's fairly important.
I've allways looked for greatest bang for the buck but I produce all of the income for my family, my Wife/Chic is a stay at home Mom with a couple of small ones to take care of.
And, as everybody knows, it takes a lot to raise a family, provide health insurance, keep everybody in a good reliable heap, sock enough away so when you retire the kids don't have to feed us : ) ect. More so on one income.
So I NEED to squeeze the max income I can out of what 've got.
I don't argue with anyone else's take on it, but that's mine, max bang for my welding buck.
JTMcC.
LOL, Money is not everything, but money is a part of everything. :-)
jrw159
John, I can say first hand I know a little about that. I sure have been on both sides of the spectrum.
I've had weeks where I grossed almost ten grand, net around six on machine resales.
Then, I've had weeks where I had $10 in my checking account, with the bills due.
I can say, what's important for me is that I'm home with my family every night, I don't have any credit card debt & owe very few people money. I get to sleep with my wife every night, rather than getting high with 'Captain Jack' & a six pack in a motel room, hundreds of miles from home.
Damn, that money....You gotta have it. :-)
"Captain Jack will get you by tonight....Captain Jack will get you high tonight......" (Captain Jack, Billy Joel, Piano Man LP)
Money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you a yacht big enough to park next to it and join the party!!-David Lee Roth
I have a list of 178 welders wanting in my yard. I will show you my 1099 from last year as well as my loss profit statements if you show yours. And you are right. I do not know my numbers but thats why I have a Full Time Accountant as well as a Full time Secretary. THEY know my numbers. Also you need to keep the Geographical area in mind. We are in Texas. $55.00 per hour is NOT on the low range where we are. Also like I said before. I have some of the best welders money can buy. Pipeline or Junk Iron. They weld it all. I will put them on any test, anytime, anywhere. Any one of them can work anywhere they want to. They choose to be here, I also beleive in a good work place. No one here is screaming at you to hurry up. Or on you for bustin a shot. We have fun. Thats worth alot. Face it man, a pipeline is just a round plate. Whats the big deal ? I will invite you to come take our test. It is not 100%x-ray but I do believe it is just as stringent. It must be, I have had about 50 Very good down hill hands bust out on it. As I am righting this it is Friday morning. I just signed tickets for the week. The average ticket is $4500.00 some more, some less. No one here has spent over $150.00 this week on consumables
Cactus
BUSTA MOVE CACTUS!
I don't think he knows how to say anything nice to anyone. Well, maybe once in a great while.
What would you expect anyways? S.W.
For the record, I have never said 55 was on the low range, I also have never stated anyone did or didn't know their numbers. I would be forced to agree that 55 in Texas is probably not on the low end. I stated in my earlier post that I used to like plant and/or yard work whatever myself for a lot of the same reasons you have stated here. I like the environment better bottom line, doesn't mean I think the money is better. And you are right there is no big deal about pipelines period, but that being said it is also somewhat of a specialty deal and some folks are very proficient at it. I don't have a rig at present, so you'll have to pardon me for not pulling up stakes and coming down to take your test. Which for what it's worth, I could probably pass left-handed. I can make as much, or more than I made doing plant work etc. as an inspector so that is what I do. And with most rod at about 100.00 a can I have to wonder about a guy spending 150 a week on consumables. For the record I wasn't trying to stir the pot I was just pointing out my viewpoint, which again is supposed to be what these forums are for. Everyone on here gets all jumped up when we start talking about wages, I personally find it kind of humorous. But then again I can get welders all day long and I can certainly get inspectors too, I do it all the time. Obviously you can to if you have a list of 178 people wanting to go to work for you. Everyone I talk to speaks pretty highly of you so I'll trust their opinion, I PM'd you a while back and asked if you were putting on inspectors if you remember right because I was thinking about coming down if you were. I'm just trying to clear things up here because I don't think what your paying is low, I do think on average a person would make more do PL work. Just my .02
Vagabond,
"I PM'd you a while back and asked if you were putting on inspectors if you remember right because I was thinking about coming down if you were."
Just curious, did you get any kind of response whatsoever to this question?
jrw159
Stir stick. . . . . . . . . . I mean that in a nice way of course. And the answer to your question is no FWIW. Not suprising though, some people think I have an attitude problem if you can believe that. It was probably something I said, or in this case typed ROFLMAO.
You have always been alright to me. :-)
LMFAO, thats a good one, but really, no stirring going on. I was just curious if you received the same response that I did, FWIW. :-)
OK not stirring. . . . perhaps purposefully agitating in a semi-circular or circular motion???