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- - By DrEmmerich Date 02-12-2009 01:37
Hey guys. Where I work we weld mild steel about 99.9% of the time but right now we've got an aluminum job in and I need some tips. It's all done with a Miller Spoolmatic 30A spool gun and I've only done a couple hours with one before. I'm welding up some 3" channel that's 1/4" thick and they're coped so one fits inside the other at 90 degrees. The problem I'm having is I can't get it as clean as I'd like in there and I'm having issues laying a nice bead because of it. The aluminum is pretty clean but I can't get in with a wire brush to remove the oxide. In retrospect it might have been a good idea to hit it all before fitting it up but it's too late now. Any suggestions?
Parent - - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 02-12-2009 03:49
  Get some toothbrush size stainless brushes and go to town on the joints immediatly before welding.

   There are acid products for cleaning weld preps, havn't tried them.
Parent - By Superflux (****) Date 02-12-2009 08:25
Dr.
Get a good selection of carbide burrs/rotary files if not fully cleaning and prepping B4 fit up.
Parent - By 8898jsmit (*) Date 02-13-2009 01:46
I've found that 5356 wire welds alot easier on parts that are dirty.  4043 just piles up if the pieces aren't new or really clean.  Also different brands of wire weld differen't.  Whatever HomeDepot carries (lincoln I think) welds really good and is fairly cheap.
Parent - - By bozaktwo1 (***) Date 02-13-2009 18:08
Hello DrEmmerich.  I can't give you nearly the quality of advice some others here can, but I'll try to give you a straightforward answer. 

If I understand you correctly, you've fit up a weldment without cleaning the joints, specifically the oxide layer (shiny), prior to welding.  There are a couple of potential problems there.  First, if you tack welded the parts without cleaning, then your welds are already likely contaminated.  Second, the best way, as Dave stated above, to remove the oxide layer is with a clean stainless steel wire brush.  I strongly discourage the use of burring tools, or sanding tools (especially which utilize aluminum oxide abrasives); the removal of base metal is next to impossible to control effectively with such tool, and with aluminum oxide abrasives you will likely embed some of the material into the base metal, thus defeating any benefit by using the tool.  Another hazard of using pneumatic tools is that you run the risk of spraying tool or air system oil on your parts.

There is quite a library of cleaning methodology for aluminum alloys in this forum, which can be found easily by using the search function at the top of the page.  In the interest of keeping it short, I can recommend that you always clean your joints first with some kind of degreaser, followed by a serious wire brushing.  Immediately prior to welding, hit it one more time with the wire brush, and a lot of folks like to use a chemical cleaner, such as isopropyl alcohol, MEK or acetone just prior to welding, which will remove any residual grease or oil.  My personal philosophy with aluminum is to clean. clean, clean and when you think it's clean, clean it again!  At any rate, good luck and let us know how it turns out.
Parent - By jarsanb (***) Date 02-13-2009 21:07
Also, adjust the equipment parameters correctly. You're probably used to short circuit transfer, don't do that. It's extremely easy to weld 1/4" aluminum with a proper spray tranfer. If the amps/volts and gun angle are correct, you shouldn't get any black soot.
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