lssec,
OK I read the first article and do not see your point. Here is an excerpt from it :
The idea of cooperation with some in the Taliban has been talked about for many months by American military commanders including Gen. David Petraeus, head of U.S. Central Command.
"If you talk to Gen. Petraeus, I think he would argue that part of the success in Iraq involved reaching out to people that we would consider to be Islamic fundamentalists, but who were willing to work with us," said Obama.
Now how does this pertain to what we were discussing? I guess that I could give you 50% credit for the first one. Maybe you did not understand what it is I'm asking?
Now on the second one, you get no credit. I thought this was a simple question. You obviously have put no effort into this. You are probably feeling a little to irate and entitled to allow yourself the ability to discuss this. This line from the article you linked sums it up best.
"I see no reason not to talk to Hamas," Scowcroft said - (Who said?)
If you are still not clear on this let me explain. First Obama is never quoted in this article. This would mean that the article you linked will not help you case in any way. Not to sure why you linked it?
In case you are not understanding what it is I am questioning let me repeat it.
I'm still trying to understand your last remark. "Obama thinks if we just talk to them they will disappear". I have no problem accepting this IF you can provide some corroboration. How about a link or something. Something where he states this or in some way supports this line. Personally I think that you have made this up, or you are just repeating what you have heard.
Let me break this down a little so there is no confusion. I do not believe what you are saying. I do not for one minute believe that Obama has ever said, or believes, that if we just talk to them they will go away. It's that simple. So if you still feel that this is the case, please post a link where he has said such. That's all I'm asking. Thanks
I am not sure where to start with this pile of steaming crap? I think I will leave this one alone. I might suggest some help of the psychological nature, for which Universal healthcare would cover, hopefully.
Does anyone except police and military need assault rifles? NO
Cigarette taxes keep going up and people keep smoking. High ammo prices will make people better shots.
Universal healthcare? Medicare, Medicaid. We already have it just not extensive as we need.
If the dip sh*ts at the gate and baggage handlers have their ducks in a row, there won't be any need for armed pilots. (Not to mention the wicked doors to the cockpit)
You think the economy is in the sewer now. Go ahead and deport every foreigner in the country. I would like to see it just for one day. Why not deport the owners of companies that give them jobs too? To deport 5, 10 or 20 million people, you want to calculate what that would cost. If you had another Bush in office with 100 Republican Senators and all the House Republican too, it would never work.
The America we knew in the past? Thats the problem, no matter how much people long for the past, its long gone. Time to move on.
Another Civil War? Won't happen. There are too may sides in modern America. Who's going to fight who?
And now for a bit of sarcasm: Aren't VA medical benefits Socialized Medicine too? The Government pays for the hospitals and employes the staffs with tax money for the sole purpose of taking care of a segment of society with little or no payment do. I am not degrading the service that the Veterans have done, my dad was in Korea, brother Nat. Guard retired, uncle was in Korea too, bro-in-law Iraq, another bro-in law Japan, ex bro-in-law Afghanistan right now. The Average Joes need healthcare too. Are our sacrifices that we make to build this country less valiant than the militaries. Why not Socialized medicine?
I'm done. For good this time. No more political posts from me. Its futile at best.
Bryon,
The definition of assult rifles in some lawmakers eyes includes 10-22 rugers and all semi auto shotguns. Do people need to own full auto weapons, if they have the proper paperwork and have insurances in place that some nutcase doesnt steel it then maybe ok. Armed pilots seem like overkill if we have armed air marshalls on every flight.
The employers of illegals should be fined out of biz just like the thieves that got bonus money from the first of many bailouts. After all if you going to tax the coal fired power plants out of biz what the hell. You really think that there are posatives with this much gov spending? If they ever do give amnesty to all illegals how many will be sleeper cell members that now can move arround freely?
People always want to change every law to fit the beliefs of the chosen few. The constitution is a valid and reasonable way to insure some level of equality to all legal US citizens, after all the illegals have no rights under it anyway.
The definition of Civil war has changed, now if you dont do as your told and accept someone elses version of America your labled as a Liberal. The sheep shall follow, Most of us dont want to walk through all of the crap.
As far as vets having to pay for healthcare, Politicions dont. Workmans comp is already a joke but not for long if the powers that be pass some "wide Reaching" reform. It will be gone forever and God help you if you come up with a major illness or injury. Some estimates are that 40% of all moneys used for public assistance are given to illegals. Must raise your hair a little, no?
Your points are always a good read, dont stop because you cant convert everyone to your mindset. We are all operating under "free speach". Hell what fun would life be without some soap opera monents.
The only benefit of a high capacity clip is the fact that you don't have to load it as often. Give the rabbits a chance wil ya.
LOL. The sleeper cells, if they are here, why would they wait until given some sort of Amnesty before they attack. Nice try, I enjoyed that one. :-)
The chosen few in this case was 51% +/-. To ensure level of equality indeed.
All I want is: wide reaching healthcare reforms and Universal health coverage. The rich can afford it, the poor get it free, what about the middle Americans, the ones that pay the taxes because they don't have as many tax shelters as Donald Trump. They can barely afford one house let alone 7. They are the ones one check away from the poor house. I wouldn't say that they are the "chosen few" we are the chosen majority. We are between the rich and the poor and it is our voice that needs to be united and heard from.
I guess I'll stay around for a while. You talked me into it.
Welcome back, glad your staying. So would a 5 round clip on an automatic make it an assult rifle? Do you own any automatics and are you going to turn them in at a whim of some control freak? Will you give up your ammo for the new allotted serialized ammo? Do you do much in the way of sport shooting or hunting? I do love to shoot those destructive prarie dogs up in South Dakota. That may be somewhere I would use a 30 round clip, they do run fast at 300 yards and it takes a little to get the timing correct. I hunt with a 308 auto with a 5 round clip. Never used any more than 4 shells during deer season. But when I install a 30 rounder to chase a coyote across a field does that make me a national threat? I know some folk that own guns so they can become more involved in getting them outlawed. "I will turn my guns in when directed to do so" an old anti war sign toting fool has on his sign (in english by some strange twist of reality). Cool= if anyone wants to turn in working guns email me and I will arrange Cash for Guns that have value.....
If no-one is keeping track of illegals and missing expired visa holders anymore you really dont think they would change tactics or targets? Uffda!
I am for some sort of healthcare reforms, not knowing the scope of the "O" plan I cant say anymore but if its anything as socialized as the Skimulus plan....
I have healthcare or sorts through my workplace, so do I have to drop that to join the free national system? Will I get to keep the money that was being paid into it? Seems to me I should be able to as long as the minority majority does not have to pay?
Just some more gravel into the thought train. Have a nice day.
By BryonLewis 
Date 03-19-2009 16:47
Edited 03-19-2009 16:55
To be honest I think I figured it out! Maybe I don't shoot guns enough. :-) I live in the city, I stay out of the country at all costs. My inlaws live in the downtown BFE, I get bored out of my head looking at corn. I DON'T EVEN EAT CORN!!!!! I do like to shoot but don't have much time to drive there to shoot. To be truly honest, I thought of the serialziation (did I spell that right) of ammo back in 1993 or so. I think they could be laser engraved that way these random drive-bys might be able to be investegated and possibly put some wanker in jail. That's not a bad idea to me, especially since I thought of it long ago. We don't shoot too many prairie dogs here in the city, but there are numerous random killings. I know that ammo can be stolen, but this would produce a "paper trail" to possibly help the investigation.
If this provision could be invented and implemented, maybe the Liberals might feel better about guns and not try to "ban" them or whatever. I am not so much of a Liberal as I am a Social/Democrat. I grew up in 1 of the 2 Democratic counties in Kansas. Now I live in Missouri where its about as 50/50 as you can get. McCain won by only 4-5,000 votes here. But because I live in the city I have considered getting a CCL permit as well as my wife.
Let's see what else. Oh, yeah, since there is no way to deport illegals, I do understand the concept behind the amnesty. By granting them whatever form of amnesty you are granting them equal rights in the workplace, most DO work. But it will also allow them a fair wage, access to insurance (until we get Universal Healthcare), and also...hold on to your seats....PAY INCOME TAXES.
Now what will that do. It will give them the right to work here, since they already do. It will give them the right to equal pay scales. That would in essence limit the employers in their reasons to hire illegals anyway. Now they hire them most get paid less than Americans, they don't have to cover unemployement insurance or any other overhead incurred by having legal workers. I knew some illegals and they were getting "taxes" taken out of their wages weekly. Where did that money go? In the bosses pocket. You know the boss that broke the law by hiring them anyway. That I believe would benefit everyone. Of course certain hoops would have to be jumped through, learn English, etc.
They already have our jobs, so by giving them a legal status it will even the playing field and allow us to retain our jobs.
And I can't have a nice day because I have a hernia that I will be going to the doctor about. Turn your head and cough. $30 co payment for that. I could pay $50 and get a happy ending somewhere else!!! :-) But I'll try!
Bryon, as a gun club director, NRA member, and a staunch defender of our constitution, your post makes me want to puke. You validate the phrase, " cut and run liberal". You said that my statements above were a " steaming pile of crap", yet offered up no evidence to the contrary. If you want to roll over, or should I say bend over, and " accept " socialism, that's your business, but I can guarantee that you won't be standing in line next to me.
How dare you, or anyone else compare VA benefits to socialized medicine. Those men and women receiving those benefits were injured defending the government that is paying, or was paying, to try and make them whole again. How on God's green earth can anyone be so blind as to lump those men and women in with puke politicians and illegal immigrants that have never paid one red effing cent of taxes, let alone fouught for what was once the greatest country on earth?
Civil war, and who will be fighting? I'll tell you who- People like me, and people like you, that's who. The people like me, who believe in and stand behind the constitution, who believe in the government that stays the hell out of individuals business. People who value freedom. People who despise the panty waist lib that wants a government that will redistribute wealth to people who never even gave an effort to try and make their own way. People that despise socialism and communism. People with enough brains to realize that there is only one reason that a government would choose to disarm it's people. They say history repeats itself. Well, look at where we are. Look at where the country is currently headed. Study your history, and maybe you will see.
I defend a much more important document that trumps the Constitution, it's called the Bible. Maybe you've heard of it. It has "clauses" that deal with immigrants, freedoms and exclusions of behaviours. It dictates to the People every right that is important. There are clear cut guidelines for what needs to be done. I see in the Bible many Socialist ideals. Luke 3:11 is one example: "The man with two tunics should share with him who has none, and the one who has food should do the same." If you have made $5 million this year at AIG and you receive a bonus of $2 million, there is a problem with that. Regardless of a bailout or not you need taxed until you can't see straight.
The Constitution has provisions where it can be altered as needed to fit the current times.
Taxes are paid to take care of necessary social needs. Police and Fire protection, military, roads, schools are all socialized. There are many necessary aspects of society including health care. The Golden Rule is this, "Do unto others than as you'll have them do unto you". The American golden rule is this, "He who has the gold makes the rules". The health care system, for which I have a close relationship, has been a scam for years. It needs revamped and regulated so everyone can get the health atteded too. Not just the rich, if you have $50 million in the bank, then you can cover your own medical bills. But what about the welder making $15/hour. $60 a week for insurance and rising was what I was paying. Those are the people that I care about. Everyone wants to complain about the poor and downtrodden, those are the ones that need the most help. It is mandated by the Bible that they are taken care of.
The problem that I see is that political sides are drawn on a false axis. The problem is that many people don't know whow the true enemy is, greed and indifference not Liberal or Conservative.
John, John, John, don't get your thong and flip flops in an uproar....but, that's not a biblical quote.
Ben Franklin quoted that in Poor Richards Almanac. I have read that it was originally quoted from Aeschylus in 4th Century BC Greece.
Bryon,
LOL, I know that, I just think the intent of Luke 3:11 has been twisted just a little bit. Help those that can not help themselves, YES. Help those that
WILL not help themselves, NOPE. Thats all.
http://www.gotquestions.org/God-help-themselves.htmlJMHO
jrw159 :-)
I got you now. The key word is WILL. You should've put it in bold. :-)
And here i thought is was a mickey mouse quote
Nope, Mickey said, "Hey Minnie come here and let's ________." :-)
This Administration seems to be pushing the country into turmoil.
I can't believe that in Os bill there is a healthcare program (or what ever it's called) but he wants vets to use privet insurance. WTF
Will the O royal guard get free healthcare?
Will lazy career welfare recipients get free health care?
Will nontaxpayers get it?
Evey illeagal who gets across the boarder?
Who is going to benefit from this socialized care?
The thought of making our heroes who served us pay in any way for injuries in the line of duty is appalling!
What's O trying to do here, make it too risky to join the armed forces?
The money that was paid to AIG employees........The O administration knew, and they got caught in the lie about it. (DODD)
This is a clear case of setting up AIG, the bill says its ok to pay contract agreements, but now that they did the O Admin captures the outrage and uses it as a weapon against capitalism! BIG O says See how these greedy rich people take advantage of you!
Well MR O, democrats exclusively wrote this bill and O if you didn't know it was in there TRY READING BILLS instead of just WRITING THEM!!!!!!!
This engineered outrage is sickening; this new gov is blatantly taking America for a long ride.
We have been hijacked.
Think about the new rules this admin has set in a few short months; really think about what can happen next.
I say now NO MORE BAILOUT money!!!!!!!
No more programs
No more pork!!!!!
MDK
".I'm done. For good this time. No more political posts from me. Its futile at best. "- Bryon Lewis
Above is a quote from your second to last last post Bryon. What happened? Do you really believe this trash you are spewing or are you really just trolling? Show me where the constitution has " clauses" where it can be amended for " modern " times. You have no idea of what you speak. You are simply one of Obammies " sheople".
And just to teach you a little something, Our founding fathers, you know, the ones that wrote the constitution, were Christians. This country was founded on the values of Christianity. So don't try and weasel your way out of the political argument by starting a religious one. Further more, if you're such a bible thumper, how can you support a man that supports abortion and stem cell research? You're way out of your league sonny.
Blame uphill he talked me back in. :-)
I don't say anything that I don't believe.
Jefferson and Washington couldn't rule 21st Century Boston let alone the modern America. The Amendments set by Congress and the prescendts set by the Supreme Court is what changes the Constitution to fit modern societal needs. Women couldn't vote, that was changed based on the Suffrage movement. Alcohol was banned then reinstituted all based on current thinking.
I am Roman Catholic and I follow Canon Law as closely as possible in American society. I don't have to deal with abortion. We are having no more kids. My daughters are well enough versed in Catholic teaching that they are more against it than I am. My job is done on that. Where your precious guns are a Constitional issue, abortion rights transcends that meager piece of parchment. It is a problem that my faith dictates that God can handle that one on his own. Obama is more closely tied to my beliefs and of the two I can understand him better than an old bast*rd that couldn't answer how many houses he owned.
Now 2012 will be here soon. I could jump ship if I don't think Obama is cutting it. But the GOP needs to come up with some better candidates than the last one. I liked some of Bob Dole's ideas back in the day. But he never made it far enough to try him out.
As far as me being out of my league. Maybe I need a bigger league!
Bryon you are full of vinegar today!!!! You say:
"Jefferson and Washington couldn't rule 21st Century Boston let alone the modern America."
Sure they could.... While I'm not as sure about Jefferson I would stack either of them against our current rulers.
Washington and Adams were a great team of exemplars when it came to simply understanding right from wrong.... Things are no more complicated today than they were 230 years ago... Right is as right and wrong is as wrong....
When you hear our modern leaders being described as complex... This means their hypocricy is on record and cannot be reconsiled.
I will take a 6th grader from that era and put them up against a 12th grader in our public schools today... They would out perform them in Mathmatics, vocabulary 4to 1, geography, history and common sense... They would not need to be taught how to sweep the floor or get up out of bed in time to do chores.
You can count me in. I agree that VA's should have medical benefits, they have fought for our freedom, and today, it seems it could disappear overnight. I would give up my next meal and many more for the men/women that have fought for my freedom. I have muzzle loaders. I know how to shoot, and I plan to keep them no matter what. "THEY CAN HAVE THIS GUN WHEN THEY PRY IT FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS" I would rather die fighting than to conform to a communist society. I will survive, and I will protect the best interests of my country, because I love my family,friends and myself to do so. " THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BARE ARMS" THOSE THAT LIVE BY THE SWORD DIE BY THE SWORD! AMEN!!!!!! Guess I know how I will die. And yourself? I don't believe in crybabies.
Why don't you part with some that big pipeline $$ and go buy yourself a "real gun".
I'm not big enough to shoot an elephant gun. Other than that, normally don't have time to go shoot. One of my muzzle loaders is 2 yrs. old and never been shot. Waiit till you see my "toy". It's a .22 belt buckle, it's never been fired either. But it's cute....lol. Did you bring a real gun with you? Pictures looked impressive.
Bryon innocently asks and rhetorically replies.
"Does anyone except police and military need assault rifles? NO"
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." --Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787
~~Apparently the author of the constitution believes in a well armed prolitariat.
"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
-- James Madison, The Federalist Papers
~~~~Madison was not discussing quail guns here..
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
-- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188
~~~~People at large.. Not cops or soldiers
"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
-- Mohandas Gandhi, An Autobiography, pg 446
~~~~I bet that one left a mark eh Bryon?
You know why there's a Second Amendment? In case the government fails to follow the first one.
-- Rush Limbaugh, in a moment of unaccustomed profundity 17 Aug 1993
Rush and Gandhi! What a pair!
Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.
-- Noah Webster
Thats really just the first song in the hit parade... If you need more just ask.
Edit: Just too juicy
John F. Kennedy: "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia,' 'the security of the nation,' and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms,' our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy... The Second Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." John F. Kennedy, Junior Senator of MA in a 1959 letter to E.B. Mann [From the 1974 Gun Digest, article titled Gun Laws]
Assault rifles sound like a pretty good choice when it comes to defending the country.. And we can see from Jefferson that defending the country may very well include "resistence"......... Tyranical government perhaps?
Prolitariat, huh, that brought a tear to my eye, you touched upon my Leftist side. LOL
I have nothing against firearms, and I don't have a problem with regulating them either. Back in 17 dickety doo. We needed a guns to acquire our freedom. The pen is mightier than the sword or AR 15. How far would the country have to implode before the gov't would need to be toppled by armed insurgency. Not to mention that sedition and treason are highly criminal acts forbidden by the Constitution.
This is America not Madagascar. Geo. Washington fought so we won't have to. That is the spirit of the Constitution. Every time a ballot is cast, that is another bullet fired for the Revolution. If Obama doesn't do it, vote for Palin. If Palin doesn't do it, vote for Chelsea Clinton or whoever. We are a civilized people. I can understand the early writings by the founding fathers and can understand Gandhi. But Gandhi did more for the Indian people with no army than the NRA can do with their goose guns.
I have my issues with the government as anyone but I don't think an armed conflict with Uncle Sam and his minions are in our future.
Gandhi and Limbaugh! What a pair indeed. Like Yoko and the rest of the Beatles.
Retention bonus is different from a regular performance bonus. If you are getting a retention bonus you have already been notified that your job is ending. The retention is for you to stay on with AIG and assist in turning the business and contacts that you have been servicing to a new contact at AIG and not let them slide of the portfolio and loss their business period. If no retention bonus the employees will be moving on a soon as they get word that there job is over. Obama knows this and so do ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN but they will not report it.
LOL...get out your tinfoil hats and listen to this....."The Obama Deception" 
