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- - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 04-23-2009 15:42
Heat analysis for SA-516
What's your opinion?
To keep this short, my question is..........
ASME SA 516 GR 70 Are the following Elements Restricted and or specified for  SA-516 gr 70?
CU, NI, CR, MO, V, NB, TI.
MDK
Parent - - By CWI555 (*****) Date 04-23-2009 16:39 Edited 04-23-2009 16:41
SA-516
6. Chemical Requirements
6.1 The steel shall conform to the chemical requirements
shown in Table 1 unless otherwise modified in
accordance with Supplementary Requirement S17, Vacuum
Carbon-Deoxidized Steel, in Specification
A 20/A 20M.A 20/A 20M

A20
.7. Chemical Composition
7.1 Heat Analysis
7.1.1 Sampling for chemical analysis and methods
of analysis shall be in accordance with Test Methods,
Practices, and Terminology A 751.
7.1.2 For each heat, the heat analysis shall include
determination of the content of carbon, manganese, phosphorus,
sulfur, silicon, nickel, chromium, molybdenum,
copper, vanadium, columbium; any other element that is
specified or restricted by the applicable product specification
for the applicable grade, class, and type; aluminum,
if the aluminum content is to be used in place of austenitic
grain size testing of the heat (see 8.2.2.1); and any other
austenitic grain refining element for which limits are specified
in the purchase order (see 8.2.4).
7.1.3 Heat analyses shall conform to the heat analysis
requirements of the applicable product specification
for the applicable grade, class, and type. In addition, for
elements that are listed in Table 1 but are not specified
or restricted in the applicable product specification for
the applicable grade, class, and type, heat analyses shall
conform to the applicable heat analysis limits given in
Table 1.

TABLE 1
LIMITS ON ELEMENTS (SEE 7.1.3 and 7.2.4)
Copper, max. %A Heat analysis 0.40
Product analysis 0.43
Nickel, max. %A Heat analysis 0.40
Product analysis 0.43
Chromium, max. %A,B Heat analysis 0.30
Product analysis 0.34
Molybdenum, max. %A,B Heat analysis 0.12
Product analysis 0.13
Vanadium, max. %C Heat analysis 0.03
Product analysis 0.04
Columbium, max. %D Heat analysis 0.02
Product analysis 0.03
Titanium, max. %E Heat analysis 0.03
Product analysis 0.04"

In the absence of specific information for the specific material in question, always refer back to the general specification for that missing information.

Regards,
Gerald
Parent - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 04-23-2009 17:49
THANKS FOR THE REPLY,
I would like to disscuss this more with you.
So According to SA 516 GR 70
6 Chemical composition
6.1 steel shall meet chem. Requirements in table 1 unless otherwise modified with supplementary requirement S17 in spec A20
So I go to A20... supplementary requirement S17
S17 last line.....the minimum heat/product analisis requirments for silicon do not apply to vacuum carbon deoxidized steel.
So the only modification to the chems with S17 is no minimum for silicon.(correct)?
MDK
Parent - - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 04-23-2009 18:01
So to get back to what im stuck on.......
I have a plate of SA-516 gr 70
S5 supplementary requirement only charpy V-notch
1.75 thick normalized.
My Question is when looking at the Chems for this plate do I need to include table 1 (limits on elements) from SA20 as well as the plate spec table 1 from sa 516?
MDK
Parent - - By CWI555 (*****) Date 04-23-2009 19:11
You will note that the table 1 in SA-516 is noticably void of coverage for other trace elements outside of carbon, manganese, phosphorus, sulfur, and silicon.

Under paragragh 3 "general requirements and ordering information"
3.1 Material supplied to this material specification shall conform to the specification A 20/A 20M"

Then in 3.5 "if the requirements of this specification are in conflict with the requirements of specification A20/A 20M the requirements of this specification shall prevail."

Bottom line, those trace element limitations as previously posted do in fact apply Except where they conflict as stated in para 3.5. in which case SA 516 prevails.
Parent - By Mikeqc1 (****) Date 04-23-2009 19:17
Thank you, for your input.
MDK
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