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- - By jbessy1 Date 05-14-2009 11:04
I am looking for someone who may be doing this type of testing to verify welds at their facility. We have a lot of welds that are manually welded in the vertical position-downward progression with GMAW-S using C-25 gas. We have poor fusion on some of the welds due to poor joint access from poorly designed weldments and weld fixtures. We are using validated WPS's to weld all the parts. All of the weld operators are trained to an in-house 80 hour training course. I am trying to prevent feild issues occuring with broken welds from either lack of fusion or welded off center. I would like to force test the critical to quality welds in production to the point of the calculated stress it may see during service without sacrificing the integrity of the weld. This calculation would be based on the base materials being welded together. We typically weld ASTM A36 low carbon steel with ER70S-6 filler wire. We do weld some HSLA materials also using the same wire with the same gas mixture. Theoretically, we should be able to apply a force to the base metal limit and not affect the weld. We were thinking of using a force gage with a hydraulic cylinder to apply pressure to the given points of stress (red,yellow, green) with an automatic cut-off of the pressure at the limit. If anyone is doing this type of inspection please reply with words of advice.
Parent - By Lawrence (*****) Date 05-14-2009 11:55
Jbessy   Welcome to the forum!

Unless the materials you are working with are thicker than .125 inches there is no solution to your problem beside replacing your welders with robots or making a change in position or transfer mode.

Even if your WPS's were qualified by testing..... Short Circuit GMAW with 75/25 gas and a vertical downward travel will present fusion problem issues in production on material thicknesses greater than 1/8 inch...  As you are discovering... Welds made with this combination of parameters can look very nice but fail when put under load...

Spending a fortune of money on testing procedures may not be the best way to approach your issue.  Inspection does not add quality...   Process control adds quality...
Parent - By pipewelder_1999 (****) Date 05-14-2009 12:08
You may be in for a challenge as the process and progression you are using could be a major factor in the poor fusion.

Even with the most trained welders downhill GMAW can be a challenge to achieve good penetration and fusion. The desire to slow down to "hold" the puddle size can be corrected by increasing travel speed however depending upon electrical settings you may be pushing the limit on too little heat input. Too slow and too fast BOTH result in fusion issues. One because the arc doesn't melt the underlying base metal due to energy being wasted heating the puddle and the other because not enough energy is used to melt the base metal because of high travel speeds.

The lack of fusion can be minimized by process controls however the process you are using is more prone than most others to this type of defect. If the welds are off center then a good visual inspection program and production planning may be another aid. If the welds are so restricted that the welders cannot see the joint then either they need more practice or the assembly sequence may need to be modified.

Proof testing a structure would be diffficult. After the proof testing you may have caused MARGINAL welds to fail but they may not be visible to the naked eye. Then the product gets to go in service and fails even faster.

Welding is considers a "Special Process" and is difficult to verify the integrity of the finished product by many methods. Selecting a more forgiving process, additional welder training, and review of the design would be a better option in my opinion.

Can you give some more specifics on the issues you are having . Material thicknesses, Voltage and WFS/AMPS, joint designs, base metal cleaning (mill scale removed) etc.

PLease forgive me if all of the above are things you have taken into account. The GMAW process like all others has advantages and disadvantages over other processes. Its easy to make a good looking downhill weld that can be removed with a claw hammer.

Have a nice day.

Gerald Austin
www.weldingdata.com
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