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- - By michael kniolek (***) Date 07-15-2009 01:02
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090619/healthcarereform_discussiondraft.pdf

You all should watch the senate talks im watching live now, only  5 REP all seem very civil in discussion although they have dropped words such as Dictator ship and socialism.....wile referencing some very interesting stats. They are even discussing certain Burdens of  the US with regards to healthcare and massive immediate savings.
Parent - - By js55 (*****) Date 07-15-2009 12:57
And how many realize that Schicklgruber is trying to push the full debt of this health care plan to beyond 2013. Which of course just happens to be right AFTER the next election.
Parent - - By CWI555 (*****) Date 07-15-2009 16:32
If it passes, I'd be surprised if the country makes it to 2013 intact. The liberal media can only BS so far, but the U.S. Creditors are going to know exactly what, when, and where that debt will be. If you had 100% the stock market is going to crash the following day, would you wait to pull your money out or get it out while you can?
Parent - By michael kniolek (***) Date 07-15-2009 22:45
I think that because the market didnt crash when its time for it to crash again nothing will stop it.
China wins
Parent - - By bruce69 (*) Date 07-16-2009 21:21
American insurance companies are currently spending $1.4 million PER DAY on lobbyists in D.C. to keep things exactly the way they are.  There are many ideas on what to do about health care but no matter what, something has got to get better than the way it is.
Parent - - By michael kniolek (***) Date 07-16-2009 21:35
Bruce what is your health care crisis?
If I may ask?
I do not see any "crisis"
I Do hear stories of the socialized healthcare “crisis “
Im not buying the scare tactics of  Big O anymore
MDK
Call your rep I posted the #
Parent - - By rick harnish (***) Date 07-16-2009 22:52
Anyones heathcare crisis becomes my healthcare crisis when they raise my taxes yet again to pay for this. Im not saying maybe SOMETHING cant be done to help, but we have lived this long without it, so lets think it all through and get it dead right. I cant picture socialized ANYTHING being the answer. My kids are in private school, there is a reason. Social Security, Medicaid, going bankrupt. How can this fix everything? More government spending and control over YOUR BODY AND HEALTH is not the cure all!!!!
The Federal Government should protect our country, not attempt to kill it. The stimulus has not even begun to change my current situation, or the situation of anyone I know.This is NOT the time for Cap and Trade. Let America recover before you bend Her over again! NO MORE TAXES!!!
Parent - By michael kniolek (***) Date 07-17-2009 00:37
America has spent loads of money to build the best system.
the crissis is, the Administration wants to cut it up and give it away.
Sperad the Health campain 
Parent - - By swsweld (****) Date 07-17-2009 12:18 Edited 07-17-2009 12:22
Relax everybody. Our Vice President has got it all figured out.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51162

>"You're telling me that we have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt? The answer is yes, that's what I'm telling ya."


See, nothing to worry about. They can spend money better than anybody in the history of money spenders. Throw $$ at the problem, that ALWAYS fixes it. Stimulus 1 (more than one trillion after interest)from President Obama fixed our unemployment and economy, didn't it? It worked so good they are seriously looking at Stimulus 2. If spending money is the key to fixing the economy that the evil capitilist (G. W.) broke, then let's SPEND like there's no tomorrow....
Parent - - By michael kniolek (***) Date 07-21-2009 00:46
i see they are covering all the neccesary things in the healthcare disscussion
SEC. 2242. SCHOLARSHIPS FOR DISADVANTAGED STUDENTS, LOAN REPAYMENTS AND FELLOW
SHIPS REGARDING FACULTY POSITIONS, AND EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANCE IN THE HEALTH PROFESSIONS REGARDING INDIVIDUALS FROM DISADVANTAGED BACKGROUNDS.
and how does this fit into coverage....
They will spend money for SCHOLARSHIPS but not MRIs without some proof of the need ......., and any1 over 50....bottom of the list....todays politicaly correct DISADVANTAGED human flavour of the month ...Front row..
Its not good
MDK
Parent - - By js55 (*****) Date 07-21-2009 13:39
People are finally getting it. The Schicklgruber health care plan is in trouble. He has all but admitted the August deadline is impossible, thank God for the Blue Dog Dems. He has made a point of saying he is going to take the lead in this, as if he wasn't already (but then whats a little 'Coming down off Golgotha' subterfuge to protect your image?) although he has extended the time frame to the end of the year. How convenient for him.
But as his popularity and his support for his plan slip (the Republicans and the Blue Dogs even blocked the possibility of those midnight sneak attacks like with Porkulus and Cap and Trade and Pelosi is starting to mitigate her soak the rich bulls**t) its going to get harder and harder to get done. I suspect some face saving bulls**t compromise will get done sometime later this year.
Parent - By michael kniolek (***) Date 07-21-2009 23:01
When I read this  I see a reoccurring theme "if eligible” but I hear rumor that privet industry will be outlawed after so many years.
So the only game in town can deny service.
Will this some how cause new taxes or drive the privet insurer out of business.
(c) TRANSFERS TO TRUST FUND.—
5 (1) DEDICATED PAYMENTS.—There is hereby
6 appropriated to the Trust Fund amounts equivalent
7 to the following:
8 (A) TAXES ON INDIVIDUALS NOT OBTAIN9
ING ACCEPTABLE COVERAGE.—The amounts re10
ceived in the Treasury under section 59B of the
11 Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to re12
quirement of health insurance coverage for indi13
viduals).
14 (B) EMPLOYMENT TAXES ON EMPLOYERS
15 NOT PROVIDING ACCEPTABLE COVERAGE.—The
16 amounts received in the Treasury under section
17 3111(c) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986
18 (relating to employers electing to not provide
19 health benefits).
20 (C) EXCISE TAX ON FAILURES TO MEET
21 CERTAIN HEALTH COVERAGE REQUIRE22
MENTS.—The amounts received in the Treasury
23 under section 4980H(b) (relating to excise tax
24 with respect to failure to meet health coverage
25 participation requirements).

WOW
ill bet no privet insurer will make the grade!!!!!
MDK
Parent - By michael kniolek (***) Date 07-21-2009 23:29 Edited 07-21-2009 23:55
look at this section its interesting and elusive......
SEC. 1235. CONSULTATION AND INFORMATION REGARDING
23 END-OF-LIFE PLANNING.

just like planned parenthood

‘‘CHAPTER 34—TAXES ON CERTAIN INSURANCE POLICIES’’.
Parent - By michael kniolek (***) Date 07-24-2009 01:13
here is the model for obamas heath care

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gattaca
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