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- - By welder5354 (**) Date 05-06-2010 23:09
Hello and just wondering if anybody can answer the questions below..
Is there a forumla for measuring how much argon gas will be used for purging pipe?
For example, how long would it take to fill a 2 in pipe x 20 ft with argon  before welding and
what would be the flow rate and how much argon would you use to purge per foot of pipe?

Tks for any help.
dh
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 05-06-2010 23:24
Calculate the volume of the system to be purged. Multiply the volume by 6. Divide that number by your flow rate in cubic feet per hour (from your flow meter) and that will be your answer in "hours".

In your case:  3.14 x 1^2 = 3.14 x 12 = 38 cubic inches per foot, 38 inch^3 X 20 feet = 800 in.^3 / 12^3 = 800/1728 rounded = about 1/2 cubic feet for the volume of the system. 1/2 x 6 = 3 cu ft. At 15 cubic feet per hour the purge time would be about 1/5 hour or 12 minutes of purge at 15 cu ft/hour on the flow meter.

Best regards - Al
Parent - - By welder5354 (**) Date 05-07-2010 02:38
How may cu ft of argon would be in a large bottle of argon?
Parent - By Superflux (****) Date 05-07-2010 03:06
How large is LARGE? What size are your cylinders/"party bottles?" Ask your supplier what they are delivering. Then you can perform the calculations previously supplied in this thread.
Parent - By 803056 (*****) Date 05-07-2010 03:10 Edited 05-07-2010 03:13
133 times the volume of the tank.

By the way, I rounded (liberally) off the values and approximated the values in my head. You can run the numbers with a calculator for a more accurate result.

Best regards - Al
Parent - - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 05-07-2010 03:11
330 CuFt in a 9.25" diameter 55" tall cylinder.
Parent - - By welder5354 (**) Date 05-07-2010 03:44
Tks dave, that's the one i'm looking for approx. 5 ft.
Parent - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 05-07-2010 05:55 Edited 05-07-2010 06:06
I don't know exactly your situation, but the first question that comes to mind is: Why bother purging the entire length of the pipe which you wrote is 20' in length???

Why not either make two purging dams and shrink the overall length of the purged space with respect to lessening the volume required to be displaced with the argon purge...

for example, one can shrink the overall purged length to 2' as opposed to 20' by incorporating a set of purge dams and depending on the budget, one can either use water soluble/rice paper purge paper dams, or two inflatable dams, or baffles/plugs made up of very high heat resistant material which are attached to each other via the use of a chain and co me in a variety of sizes with respect to applicable diameters in question, and can be easily removed from the post welded location via deflating and/or pulling the baffles/plugs/dams out towards the direction of the remaining opening @ the opposite end of the pipe length. ;) IMHO, a much better, cost effective method to use if one is going to be fitting and welding a lot of this type of work. ;)

Check out these links to learn more, unless you're already familiar with this type of equipment and pipe welding accessories:

http://www.tubenet.org.uk/technical/whypurge.html

http://www.intercononline.com/welding/purgpapr.htm

http://www.intercononline.com/welding/mainpurg.htm

http://www.dissolvo.com/welding_instructions.php

http://www.abpaper.com/

http://www.thefabricator.com/article/consumables/dam-the-purge-gas-and-full-speed-ahead

http://www.aquasolwelding.com/products/papertape/vs

http://www.aquasolwelding.com/techtalk/

http://www.rubcons.com/saf/products_safety_purgedams.php3

http://www.gowelding.com/met/purging.pdf

http://www.huntingdonfusion.com/downloadfiles/LTAPF.pdf

I almost forgot about these folks also:

http://www.cob-industries.com/argweld.aspx?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=CPC&utm_term=purge%20dams&utm_campaign=Argweld&gclid=CKmMkr6tv6ECFRRM5Qod0QigAw

Well, that's about it for now, yet I'm sure there's more options available if one searches further online. ;) Hope this helps! ;)

Respectfully,
Henry
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