I'm really disappointed in the way this thread morphed into a "whining podium" for someone who's obviously not getting the point, or reason why the OTB&G was created in the first place. :(
I'm only hopeful that there still are some folks in here such as Shane and Jon as well as others beside them who truly understand why it's inappropriate to start a thread regarding a topic that is not directly related to a specific section's title within this forum such as this one which should be in the OTB&G...
And there certainly is no need to "mudsling" if one is truly here to discuss, respectfully disagree and argue the merits of one's perspective regarding any topic... In fact, the very use of name calling only shows the new and occasional visitor or two to this forum that this place is really not a comfortable place to discuss topics directly pertaining to any of the sections listed nor does it leave a good impression to some who initially thought that they found a forum where they could comfortably discuss the many topics pertaining to welding.
Respectfully,
Henry