Thanks for the info all, after repeated attempts these things are spent. Gonna try them this morning one more time but looks there done. Thanks for the link and gonna check out the Quickies. That's funny, call the LWS I go to and ask that, "you have any quickies?" and they're likely to tell me "no but you might try across the street". Directly across the street is Nashville's interstate gem, "The Worlds Largest Adult Bookstore"! No kidding.
Looks like Stumpf's up in Illinois carries them too,
http://stumpfweldingsupplies.com/Torch_Accessories.html