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- - By 625552 (*) Date 03-01-2011 22:20
We are thinking of going to a E71T-1M to help reduce the amount of handling in our structural fab shop. In an effort to keep things simple we would like to use this electrode classification for "all position" pjp fillet / groove welds and use that same electrode in another part of our operation where we do nothing but cjp groove welds varying in thickness from 1/4" to 1-1/2". Can anyone give me suggestions / recommendations.
Parent - By jarcher (**) Date 03-02-2011 03:31 Edited 03-02-2011 03:34
I'm not sure what the question here is. If your company is an OEM, then my choice in your position would be to a plate test per ASME. That would give you 3/16" to 2" on P1 to P1 steels (I assume from the filler that's what your are welding and your test plates are 1"). If you are a job shop, then you have to go with whatever your customer specifies or will accept in lieu of what the contract specifies. Usually in this area that means they will accept ASME, but there are the odd places where some other code is insisted on.

Edit: Grammer
Parent - - By waccobird (****) Date 03-02-2011 10:16
625552
Argon/CO2 75/25 will give you the all position you mention, and it is recommended.
We use it for about everything but hand rails.
Good Luck
Marshall
Parent - By mpitt (*) Date 03-03-2011 20:50
Make sure to check with the manufacturer for which gas to use. Some are designed to run with 75/25 Argon/CO2 mixture, while others are designed to run with 100% CO2. Most will weld with either gas but some just run better with the gas they are designed to run with.
Parent - - By 625552 (*) Date 03-02-2011 13:29
I'm just looking for a little feedback on the E70T-1M for out of position pjp and flat / horizontal cjp joints in a structural steel application. Thanks
Parent - - By js55 (*****) Date 03-02-2011 13:47
The answer isin the 0 of the classification.
Parent - By jwright650 (*****) Date 03-02-2011 14:43
Like Jeff said...the zero means Flat or Horz only.
Parent - - By 625552 (*) Date 03-02-2011 15:11 Edited 03-02-2011 15:14
The E70T-1 I mentioned above was a typing error. I called myself proof reading before posting but apparently didn't do a good job. I am simply asking if anyone has experience with the E71T-1M wire in "all position" pjp fillet and groove welds or cjp welds in the flat and horizontal positions, good or bad. I'd really like to hear it. Sorry for any confusion.

625552
Parent - - By Lawrence (*****) Date 03-02-2011 15:42
E71T-1 has a faster freezing slag system than E70T-1 FCAW electrodes to accomodate out of position welds, so there is some increase in the chance for lack of fusion issues in horizontal fillets... That being said, those chances are about nill if you use high quality electrodes and have your process under control.

Parameter selection (within the ranges of your WPS) are more important with FCAW, and are directly linked to brand.  The flux/slag systems from each manufacturer are slightly different and that means that often the best operating parameters are slightly different..

I think you can prolly do just fine and eliminate any confusion by going with E71T-1 for all your production welds.

Both ESAB, Hobart, Lincoln and Corex make E71T-1 electrodes that can run .045 dia at 450 inches per minute out of position with mixed gas, and even faster in the flat and horizontal positions...  I'm not sure the deposition rates for the E70T-1's are that much better, and the limitations make it necessary to switch electrodes for out of position work.
Parent - By 625552 (*) Date 03-02-2011 16:12
Thanks, this is good information.

625552
Parent - - By L51174 (**) Date 03-02-2011 14:18
Yeah, is it E71 or E70?
Parent - - By 625552 (*) Date 03-02-2011 21:59 Edited 03-03-2011 13:21
We'd like to go to the E71T-1M. Sorry for any confusion caused by my calling out E70 above.
Parent - - By Blaster (***) Date 03-03-2011 23:30
In general terms, E71T-1M must be about the easiest and most forgiving electrode ever built.  It has great operator appeal.  It tends to operate over a wide wire speed range, and for a given wire speed the workable voltage and stickout is relatively broad. 

The slag comes off easy and the electrode is not prone to undercut.  Works great in all positions and on pipe.

It is not prone to internal discontinuities unless the welder is doing something substantially wrong.  The only common mistake I see low skilled guys prone to making with this wire is the same problem you see low skilled guys making with other wires - trying to hog in a fatty, and then experiencing slag inclusions or lack of fusion.

Only downsides I can come up with is it generates a lot of smoke, and for skilled welders it can get quite boring rather quickly.  Since it is so forgiving, it just isn't a very challenging electrode to weld.  That aside, if I am going to fabricate something from steel in the shop, I am going to use E71T-1M unless there is a good reason to be using something else.  It is just so fast and easy to produce good looking sound welds.  It gets the job done right and quick.

Personally I like ESAB 710X-M.  Made in Hanover, PA, USA.

BTW I would stick to the M for out of position work.  Some places go with E71T-1 and cheaper CO2 gas.  In my experience if you do a lot of vertical and especially overhead, you are ahead to pop for the -M and mixed gas so the welders spend their time welding and not digging spatter out of the their gun nozzles.
Parent - - By 625552 (*) Date 03-06-2011 20:11
Thanks, I appreciate the info.
Parent - - By eekpod (****) Date 03-07-2011 11:28
We use Lincoln ELite E71T-1 with mixed gas and it works great, it's a little more expensive than others, but its a reliable product and can be used by guys in all positions.  Generally we try to have the shop do only flat and horizontal, but they do do vertical and overhead as needed.  Also Lincolns website is nice becasue you can get C of C certificiates right there by plugging in the QC lot #from the box of filler wire into the site and print your own, you don't need to contact anyone. Hope this helps.
Parent - By 625552 (*) Date 03-07-2011 16:48
Thanks
Parent - By J Kidd (*) Date 03-15-2011 06:36
Blaster, I see that you prefer ESAB 710X-M wire. That's good news to my ears anyway since i am directly involved in fabricating that and many other wires. The whole process from start to finish. I'm sure we can continue to supply quality wire on constant basis.

Regards
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