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- - By Droptine Date 03-25-2011 03:29
I am having a tough time finding a camshaft for my f-162. Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find one?  Any help would be appreciated.
Parent - By Tyler1970 (***) Date 03-25-2011 03:43
Try bills welder repair 405-232-4799
Parent - By kb_services Date 03-25-2011 11:22
i have a couple welder parts warehouse 281 356 2902
Parent - - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 03-25-2011 13:32
Don't forget, these engines were used in A LOT of old tractors and yes, even powered the mighty Willies Jeeps that carried our boy's in WWII. I've found a bunch of parts at old iron websites, jeep sites and so on.
Parent - - By FixaLinc (****) Date 03-25-2011 19:42
Willys engines were made by Willys Overland Motors most Willys jeep engines were 134 cubic inches NOT a F162 that is a Continental engine !  Completely different companies and engines only thing shared is they are flat heads L head engines but so were some other brands back then. 

http://www.wisconsinmotors.com/part_catalog/continental

http://www.willysoverland.com/index.php/WO/history/
Parent - - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 03-26-2011 02:11 Edited 03-26-2011 02:14
I hate to disagree but when your Uncle owns a 1946 Willy's jeep and you have a 1951 shorthood on a trailer in his driveway and he looks at the engine and says, "continental? Thats a great engine" then takes you to the Willies that he uses to plow snow with and haul firewood and pops the hood and says, continental. Shows me that at least the welder has a oil filter unlike his Willies.....which has not had the oil changed in 30 or more years, just keeps adding used oil from his other vehicles. My Uncle is a die hard car buff, been into cars since his young days growing up in the 40's and 50's and been a mechanic just about as long. It's hard to agree with you when you have the two engines side by and they look identical. They used so many different manufacturers to supply engines, build the equipment during the war there is no telling what was in them half the time. Ford built jeeps, Willy's built jeeps on and on.
Parent - - By FixaLinc (****) Date 03-26-2011 05:06
Must be changed or a different contract military jeep.  Continental and Willys are not the same engine.  Carb and intake are on the left hand side of a Willys but on the right hand side of a Continental F162 & F163.  They made F140 and others smaller too not going to be same parts for a F162 and lots of forklifts used a F140.  The aftermarket manifolds are same but not other parts.  We had a CJ2A and CJ3B and M38 all had Willys engines they were not made by Continental.  Lots of old Hobarts used Willys engines.  Most purist never considered the Ford or Chrysler jeeps to be real jeeps.  Willys claims to have invented the jeep but there is also claim Minneapolis Moline farm equipment company invented the jeep and they had military contracts before Willys or Ford did.
Parent - - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 03-26-2011 13:19
According to wikipedia Willy's did not invent the first jeep. The government wanted a working prototype in 49 days, I believe back in 1940. American Bantam and Willy's along with 133 others were trying for the contract. Willy's asked for more time and were told no. American Bantam was broke and had no engineering staff. They brought in Karl Probst in July of 1940 who laid out/designed the first Jeep, the Bantam BRC-40. The government knew American Bantam could not supply what they needed and selected Willy's Overland and Ford to produce the design originally made by American Bantam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep

down the page, "The origins of the vehicle: the first Jeeps"

I've been unable to find much, been seeing a lot of 134 "Go Devils" and "Hurricane" engines in early Jeeps, all from Willy's Overland. I have found that Continental Motors were used in Jeeps among many other vehicles.

http://www.ehow.com/list_7572182_continental-engine-specs.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Motors_Company

down the page, "Automobiles that used Continental Engines" and under that "Trucks that used Continental Engines", specifically AM General where they mention Jeep.

I believe your right about the F162 however, most references I've found were to the 134 or 135 C.I until somewhere in 1953 an article about the Willy's jeep using a 161.1 C.I engine and more reference to the Continental engine, believe it was an inline 6 however but did not see anything that specified exactly. As far as my Uncle's jeep goes his dad bought it sometime after the war and my Uncle grew up with it and knew the history of this particular jeep from day one. Original engine, driveline. His dad used it to plow snow and then when he moved to N.C my Uncle came into ownership. I've been around this particular jeep since the mid 70's, that's as far back as I can remember. I remember my Cousin(4 years older) driving me around in it on my Uncles property when I was 7, 8 years old and older. It has a 5 gallon gas can for a gas tank, smokes like an old freight train but Uncle says he has no problems with mosquito's when he's out it the woods gathering firewood!! LoL! He still uses it to this very day. Body is about as solid as a rock, 4 wheel drive works good. As far as displacement on the particular engine in his jeep that is one thing that will remain a mystery I guess. He has no intentions of pulling the engine and rebuilding it and that would be the only way to figure bore and stroke and do some in depth investigations on what the engine truely is, Continental or Willies, but like I said, we talked and looked at them both for quite awhile and I got a history lesson on the Jeep, the Continental engines and had a great Conversation with a guy who really is not much of a talker until you hit the right button...his button has to do with any old cars, probably early 60's back.

Speaking of good conversations, I have enjoyed our little debate Fixalinc! Have a good weekend!

Shawn
Parent - By FixaLinc (****) Date 03-26-2011 17:56
Well Shawn we got way off on this so I hope he finds his camshaft lol.  Wikipedia is not the most trusted info or accurate.  Minneapolis Moline invented a jeep in 1938 or late 20s before American Bantam showed up in 1940 with one.  They don't look like the later jeep but were called that and were painted green or gray not the MM yellow and red shown in one pic.  So some claim that MM was the first dubbed the first "jeep" with a MM engine and others stole the name it's been a big argument for years still lol.   In the end Willys won the first contract to produce jeeps for the military along later with Ford and Chrysler.  Most had what was called a Willys L 134 flat head engine and even Willys later in mid 50s went to a overhead valve engine.

http://www.farmcollector.com/Farm-life/The-real-Jeep-story.aspx

http://www.hemmings.com/hcc/stories/2010/06/01/hmn_feature18.html

MM built some military versions of their UDLX tractor as well with front wheel drive and tracks but I can't find pics of all those online now.

http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/gallery/oldads_pic.cgi?pic=http;//www.tractorshed.com/gallery/oldads/o475.jpg&firstrec=1&lastrec=15&Parameter=MM%20jeep&mode=All&what=oldads

http://www.hemmings.com/hcc/stories/2005/04/01/hmn_feature19.html

http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe40s/machines_07.html

Time for baseball have a good one...
Parent - By weldwade (***) Date 03-25-2011 17:30
Forklift repair shops also. I bought a F-163 with a little over 100hrs on it out of a TUG Airplane mover. They are industrial engines used all over the place. We have to 162's that run irrigation pumps, they have been in service for close to 50yrs now.
Parent - By FixaLinc (****) Date 03-25-2011 19:48
Parent - - By KSellon (****) Date 03-25-2011 21:30
Montes Equipment 800-228-2625. I might have a take off but not sure.
Parent - By Droptine Date 03-26-2011 20:07
Thanks everyone for all the info. I did find one.
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