There is a guy claiming that he runs 7024 downhill with good results.. I think he is full of beans..!! I have been proven wrong before but I am thinking it can't be done, I'm just curious if it is possible.
Have any of you guys tried it..??
He has pictures of welds he claims to have done downhill and they look good but I am still having a hard time believing it would work..!!
I ran some 7024 for the first time the other day in the flat position and they welded great but it seemed WAY to watery to even think of welding downhill.. I don't have any left or I would try it for myself..
Edit.. His claim is 1/8 7024 120amps.. I'm thinking this was welded flat then stood on end for the picture.. The ripples look like they are going the wrong direction too..
Before I tell him he is full of CRAP I just wanted to make sure it cant be done.. I haven't run enough of it to be absolutely sure..!!
RC
7024 high deposition welding rods are for flat and horizontal positions.
>There is a guy claiming that he runs 7024 downhill with good results<
I would need the definition of
"good results" to make an evaluation of the welds.
QCRobert
Call ********..........do it on pipe in person. Tell him to run 1/4 to bottom. Take pics and post em.
>Call ********..........do it on pipe in person. Tell him to run 1/4 to bottom. Take pics and post em.<
Then bend some coupons....
QCRobert
7024 isn't known for penetration so I can't imagine that will pass any sort of testing. BTW, the "2" means that the electrode mfg will not back up that claim of out of position welding with their electrode.
I think somebody rotated those pictures
The stop is at the top in those pics.
That's what I was thinking too.. The bottom picture looks like it was welded flat then stood on end.. lol..
I would love to see him try doing this in person..
He sure is puffing his chest about how good he is.. lol.. I still don't believe it can be done..!!
RC
The bottom picture looks like it was welded flat then stood on end.. lol..
both pics are of the same weld!
Seeing is believing...have him show you how it's done....LOL
Proof is in the puddle.
I have run MILES of 7024. I have tried it in all directions. Even though the factory says they will run horizontal, they are best in Flat Position. I am gonna call Bullsh*t on the down hill weld. If those pics are supposed to be his down hill welds, How did he get the puddles facing down if his travel direction was down ?
Um... Yeah.
Those pics look like that "downhill" weld really is not grabbing one leg very well at all.
3/32" 7024 is something I've used on thin material downhill with AC or DCEN... Sheetmetal lap joint kind of stuff... But 6013 and 7014 even do that kind of work better.
Runnin 7024 downhill just doesn't make sense for production of structural stuff.... If it were D1 code work there would need to be a PQR to prove it could be done and I wouldn't want to be the one to try to accomplish it.
That big Iron powder coating is ment to fill a big, wet, high amp puddle (compared to other electrodes). Think about a 1/8 6010... runs about 90 amps or so... That 7024 can run upwards of 150 in the flat position without cooking off the flux. The old timers call it dragrod.
The pick does look wrong to me too........ And he sure as blazes diddn't run it uphill :)
There are better alternatives.
I asked about his toes looking like poop and he claims he just didn't buff out the weld.. He claims that's just slag that didn't get cleaned off.. (Which could be possible in the FLAT position) I'm just not seeing it Downhill though..
I heard an old timer say one time. " If you sit and argue with an idiot for a while people start wondering who the idiot is"..lol
I think that mite be the case in this situation..!!
RC
I would say he is full of it. Those pictures are not downhill progression.Properly welded 7024 "mud rod" we call it de-slags itself. The slag will "scorpion tail" right up. Through my own use of 7024 it is best in the flat position. I would say put your money where your mouth is to him and let him give ya some free money.
LOL...that 2F picture looks about right judging by the ripples in the cap and the crater where they stopped. Travelling from R to L.
By rcwelding 
Date 08-24-2011 13:34
Edited 08-24-2011 13:50
LOL..!! Thanks Robert..!! That puts this picture in a whole new light..!!
You know whats funny is if he did weld this in the flat position then stood it up on end to take the picture.... It's still a terrible weld for 7024..!! I ran about 30lb of 7024 for the first time a couple weeks ago and it ran perfect...!!!! No undercut and just slick as silk..
I wish I had some laying around just to see what it would do going downhill.. I have my doubts that it would look as good as this picture.. Heck 7018 wouldn't look that good going downhill and I would think 7018 would be allot more forgiving than 7024 downhill..!!
I would NEVER run 7024 where it was not designed to be run for fear of joint failure but at this point My curiosity has the best of me and I want to see if it's even possible to hold a 7024 puddle up and freeze it in place going downhill..!!!
If someone has some 7024 laying around and is board stiff... Give it a Try.. My guess is it will run out like water and not hold in place at all..!!
Thanks for all the comments..!! I have been proven wrong many times in my life so I just wanted to run it by other good welders who run 7024 allot to MAKE SURE it can't physically be done..!! Not if it should be done but that it can't be done...!!
Thanks
RC
Those welds look like flux core. By the color on them. Maybe im wrong.
Same thoughts here...Innershield!
I am going with BS on this. I am going to have to SEE this welder do it. Not see a picture of what the welder claims to have done.
Believe it or not I have known a welder or two that will, um, tell you a lie when the truth would make them $50.
Have run a bit of 5/32 7024 lately and sure would like to be standing next to the guy that is running a sound weld downhill with 7024.
he should do a video and put it on you tube.
I saw a guy use 5/32 - 7024 to butt splice weld 14 ga metal bldg purlins. He ran it down hill at a very high travel speed.
The welds came out beautiful and slick as owl poop.
It was a shame to reject the welds, but I had to because he did not have a qualified procedure for it.
Tim
It seems like there is a lot of spatter for a 7024 weld, and the slag is rather tenacious on both toes for 7024.
I'm surprised nobody commented on Tim's post.
Bottom line I think is whether or not what has been posted is real or fake or whatever, neither welders nor inspectors would be granted a reputation for thinking outside the box. Welders always get indignant when someone can do something they can't, and inspectors get indignant when someone can do something the rules say you shouldn't.
But this thread has been fun.
I'm as curious about testing as John, but I've seen some ostensibly impossible things done by people with far more talent than I ever had. And being an old welder humility does not come easy.
I am surprised all you welders did not notice on the attachments flat, hort, vertical and overhead. The same spatter ball is in the same spot on all four picture. Some one is full of horse fugde.
