HEADWELDER, I guess your talking to or about me in your post. Let me tell YOU about me. Own a welding & fabrication business since 1982 out of Pittsburgh PA. Built biz. from ground up have had up to 10 employees. Work union I.W. local #3 in the field have 2-3 full time in shop now. (been with me for 10 & 15 yrs.) Unfortunately things have gone sideways for last 3 yrs. Contracts not as big as before and ALOT of price cutting going on. Haven't got a steady check from the biz. since 09. But my guys get paid and my bills get paid. Come to the realization that the biz. needs to change !!!!!! See W. PA. is boomin' with the Marcelllus Shale and have persued work from there. Doing ok fabing ladders,stairs,guards, rails,etc. But I would like to get into station work but need to learn a FEW things. Can weld steel ,aluminum, stainless, etc. Can TIG,MIG, Stick weld uphill , certified for commercial piping but need to learn downhill 1104 API to get into the piping end. I'm 50 yrs.old, to young to retire and believe in leading by example. Once I learn I will bring my guys with me so we all can earn a better livin' and be more versitile !!!! In closing I know 1 thing, if a guy like you come struttin' into my shop you'd be leavin' real quick cause I see better than I hear and I've sent ALOT of BSers on their way in 30 yrs. of business!!!!!!!!