Hi!
Al, as far as I can make out, Giovanni asked for ALL input, not just favourable ones!
I did not see a prerequisite to have published papers before being allowed to comment?
Nor do I feel the need to agree with general consensus just because I am outnumbered!
Others, much more knowledgeable than I, and myself have found fault with Giovanni’s paper. That is theirs and my opinion.
Already, the general outcry that someone could disagree and have a different opinion on a subject followed by pure name calling, has caused a relatively new poster to actively retract his obvious wisdom from the forum.
Is that the path we want to follow with this forum?
The facts are, it is a simplistic experiment of a very, very complex subject. It was not conducted in a manner that would be representative of modern construction methods (in my opinion). As ‘electrode’ so colloquially states in obviously not his mother tongue, it rambles!
Nice put down Tim BTW! Very intelligent!
Even, you Al, admit bias towards this paper and recognise the simplicity and repeatability in “college or university that has certain limits on the availability of materials and equipment”. Not really a site test then, so not really repeatable or relevant to on site repairs? Don’t know how many weld repairs are carried out in a college or university environment? But I’m open to all ideas, unlike most on here!
It also seems that as soon as ‘nantong’s’ name appears on a thread, it is open season, where as others seem to have open season on others with little in the way of comeback? Think what you may of nantong’s manner, but no one can deny his knowledge or ignore his views on a subject. Let’s give the guy a break, he does seem to know what he is talking about, and as a relative outsider on this forum, it seem obvious that his name brings out the ‘defensive’ in many of you!
I would like to thank Giovanni and his colleagues for their time and effort in producing this report on a fascinating subject. I am sure you will go on and develop the original idea more!
46.00
I am not electrode, nantong, commonarc or anybody else FYI
My apologies to electrode, 46.00, and others,
Thank you for your participation and the explanation of your position in this thread...I hope you will reconsider and continue to participate in the exchange of welding information here.
Please don't let my reaction to someone, who crapped in the corner and sat back and laughs as others are offended, stop you from participating here. I just need to learn to keep my mouth shut and ignore this guy when he shows up to throw out his stink bombs. It's too bad, as several of you guys have noted, nantong has plenty of knowledge/experience to offer.
Giovanni, my apologies to you for the derailment of your thread.
Hey John,
It's good of you to be so magnanimous in offering an apology.
I'm sure I should do the same.
I get so aggravated with people who relentlessly flame others who are trying to utilize the forum for its intent that I wind up doing the same.
That just makes me hypocritical.
I apologize for having done so.
There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone's post or ideas as that usually makes for a good discussion that everyone learns from.
However, just throwing hand grenades in order to purposely offend others is childish and reprehensible.
My apologies to you Giovanni for disrupting your thread.
Tim Gary
46.00,
There is no "outcry" about disagreeing. The outcry is a direct result of a certain person acting an a**.
It is one thing to disagree with the way things were done, the results, tools used, ect.. However it is another thing entirely to post in the utterly unprofessional manner in which Nantong is famous for.
You make this statement.
"the general outcry that someone could disagree and have a different opinion on a subject followed by pure name calling"
You might want to read the posts again; Nantong is getting the response he well deserves for his behavior.
As someone else mentioned, when you throw grenades, sometimes you end up catching some shrapnel as well.
jrw159
There will be no apologies for any of the comments I've posted in this thread.
There is an acceptable way to disagree and there is an unacceptable way to disagree. Several members of the Forum seem to believe unconstructive critique is an acceptable means of conveying an opinion. That is their right, but that doesn't mean the rest of the Forum members have to sit back and say nothing.
As I said in a previous post, those individuals that feel the study was flawed or was inadequate are most welcome to initiate their own studies with the necessary supporting experiments to validate or disprove the conclusions of the study completed by Giovanni, et al.
I, for one, would welcome more work in this area because it is a point of contention on many projects. Positions are often taken by individuals that have no evidence to support limiting the number of repair cycles permitted. Needless money is spent on limiting the number of repair cycles allowed, or is it prudent to limit the number of repairs based on experimental results?
No one criticized the technical aspects of the comments made, only the uncouth manner in which they were offered. The same individual was very defensive, even offended when members "fired back". Do they believe the Forum is a "one way street" where they can say what they like without rebuke? If they are of that mind, they are more than welcome to seek richer fodder elsewhere where their remarks are better received. I'm sure their remarks and comments will be returned in kind at other sites as well.
Personally, I don’t care how intelligent an individual is, a crass person earns little respect from me. I don’t mind a jab now and again provided it is done with a sense of humor. A little humility is a good thing , while arrogance is unbecoming. I believe many of us can recognize the difference. Like many of the members of this Forum I work the front line of many construction sites. That is no excuse to be a complete dullard when commenting on another person’s work.
Reputations are hard earned and easily lost. There are a select few members of this Forum that are working very hard to earn their reputations as educated dullards. From the posts I have been reading I am forced to say their reputations are well deserved.
Best regards - Al