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- - By waps75 (*) Date 03-21-2004 14:38
Hi to you all,we are contemplating changing some boiler tubes because of leaks on the inside and rust.wewant to use TIG process with ER70s-2 (3/32)" filler rod instead of SMAW (stick) with E7018 (3/32)" electrode.(1)Is the TIG process with ER70s-2 suitable for the job,if not,which one. (2)Is pre & post heating necessary to avoid cracks on the 3/4"-1" thick metal of the boiler face.Thanks for your response.
Parent - - By MBlaha (***) Date 03-21-2004 15:15
What type of boiler is this? If this is a fire tube boiler, ususally they are rolled in. Is this boiler used for comercial or industrial applications? Do you have a R Stamp? I guess there is a lot more information we need to know before we can help you.

Mike
Parent - - By waps75 (*) Date 03-22-2004 00:02
It's a fire tube boiler use for commercial purposes sorry, I'm not sure about the R stamp will check on that.
Parent - By MBlaha (***) Date 03-29-2004 03:02
I strongly suggest you follow boilertube's advice. You could get yourself in alot of hot (no pun intendended) water.

Mike
Parent - - By boiler tube (*) Date 03-22-2004 01:54
Hello waps75, If you don't have an "R" stamp authorization I advise you NOT to perform any type of welding on this boiler! As Mike had said the tubes in your boiler are expanded into the tube sheet by using a tube expander. Some high pressure scotch marine style boilers, the tubes are expanded then seal welded to the rear tube sheet on the hot pass. I own a boiler repair shop and have had to go in to repair a boiler or pressure vessels that someone did a weld repair and didn't have an "R" stamp and was caught by a boiler inspector. An "R" stamp code repair requires that every thing is documented on a traveler such as weld procedures, material documentation, welders continuity log, and equipment calibration record. Some repairs require NDT and pre/post weld heating as per the original code of construction usually ASME. All repairs are documented on an R-! form and should be registered with the national board and the state boiler divison. I just wanted to save you some grief before you struck an arc. If you need to find a "R" stamp holder in your state, look at the national board of boiler and pressure vessel inspectors web site.
Good luck
Ray
Parent - - By waps75 (*) Date 03-24-2004 09:18
Yes, the tubes are rolled in and expanded with a tube expander.I'ts the sealing weld i'm intrested in.can TIG with ER 70s-2 filler used or SMAW with 3/32" E7018,Should pre & post heating employ?
Parent - By revpol Date 03-25-2004 09:51
waps75: welded these alot always used 7018. Preheat depended on weld tech. Sometimes only 100deg. I carry a temp stick that is 250 that is what I use and never had a problem. Also use stringer beads only even in the 5g position. revpol
Parent - By boiler tube (*) Date 03-26-2004 02:02
Waps75, if the tubes are beaded we run 1/8" 5P+ vertical down or if the tubes are straight rolled with 1/8" stick out past the tube sheet we use 3/32" 7018 vertical up. You could tig weld the tubes if you have the proper weld procedure, but will be alot slower than stick. Do you have a mfg. data report on the boiler that will tell you what grade of steel the tube sheet if made of ? Most of the firetube boilers we work on have tube sheets made of SA 516 GRD 70 and the tubes are SA 178 GRD A. I hope this information helps.

Ray
Parent - - By bayouweld (*) Date 03-26-2004 20:59
would be easier to go ahead and use the 7018 3/32, 250 temp is good advice. You can use tig but it will be a lot slower, also use stringer beads, No weaving, and be sure your welds are clean.
Parent - - By waps75 (*) Date 03-30-2004 11:30
Thanks you all for those valueable advices.I knew I can depend on you guys out there.One more thing,what qualification the welder must have in order to perform SMAW or TIG on the boiler?
Parent - - By 3.2 Inspector (***) Date 04-01-2009 19:58
SMAW or TIG certificate.

3.2
Parent - By johnnyh (***) Date 04-01-2009 20:23
I hope he wasnt waiting for that answer to qualify them.
Parent - - By hogan (****) Date 04-01-2009 20:27
3.2,
So did you find what you were looking for?
Parent - By 3.2 Inspector (***) Date 04-01-2009 20:29
I call for a RFI

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