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- - By Kix (****) Date 01-14-2013 14:40
What are your thoughts and opinions on welding 70/30 or 90/10 Copper Nickel to A36 carbon steel using the GTAW process utilizing 75/25 Argon/CO2 for shielding gas?  I am reviewing a welding procedure right now from a vendor and they are stating that they used 75/25 Argon/CO2 to weld it. I'm hoping it's just a typo.  No backing gas was listed.  Has anyone on here ever used this method to make this type of weld?  I'm thinking this is not a common practice and that I need to do some Dick Tracying on this procedure.

Regards,
Kix
Parent - - By MMyers (**) Date 01-14-2013 14:50
Sounds like a typo to me.  I'll give it a try manually tonight.  Something tells me I'll end up with a very unhappy tungsten.
Parent - By Kix (****) Date 01-14-2013 16:45
I was wondering how hard it would be on the tungsten.  I've seen students do it on accident before and it made the tungsten all black and the stainless all black, but it still welded for them.  I know welding copper nickel to carbon steel is very tricky with pure argon so I thought maybe this might be some kind of fat freddy fab shop trick or something.:lol:
Parent - By OBEWAN (***) Date 01-22-2013 13:58
I agree, C02 is a no no for tungsten.  But, I have never seen any data on just how much can be tolerated. Maybe a tiny amount could work.  You know, like 2% oxygen with 98% Argon for GMAW?
Parent - - By cddolan74 (**) Date 01-22-2013 13:40
Ive see 75/25 but with Helium, Co2 has to be a typo
Parent - By 46.00 (****) Date 01-23-2013 13:22
Any % of CO2 shielding gas with GTAW will result in Tungsten Contamination/Oxidation! If you have any doubts, just try it! You will soon see the outcome!
- - By 803056 (*****) Date 01-25-2013 02:20
You didn't say what filler metal was used, but I would like to see the guided bend samples.

Al
Parent - - By 46.00 (****) Date 01-25-2013 02:43
Al, it is irrelevant, CO2 and GTAW? Noooooo! Like I stated, if in doubt, try it!
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 01-25-2013 03:00
I get it, but it would be interesting to see what they tried to use as a filler metal and what the guided bend samples looked like.

I have had contractors weld copper silicon, as well as copper nickel, to carbon steel. When they did their bend samples using a 4T bend diameter the welds became shrapnel.

We had success with Monel to HSLA80, but it wasn’t easy to get it to pass the guided bend tests. It is all about using the right filler metal and the right gas.

We were told to use SG-ArHeC, but when we tried it the welds actually turned green/olive drab. We got rid of the CO2 and things went a lot better. Key point; the process was GMAW, not GTAW.

There’s nothing like testing a coupon to see what works and what doesn’t work.  What other business provides entertainment and pays you to participate?

Al
Parent - By 46.00 (****) Date 01-25-2013 11:00
Nothing like getting to Play and Paid at the same time...............:lol:
Parent - By Kix (****) Date 02-05-2013 16:21
It ended up being a typo after I questioned it.  Process audits are yet to come now. :wink:
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