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- - By welder2 (*) Date 02-13-2014 19:48 Edited 02-13-2014 19:54
A company contacted me needing welders qualified. They are in need of ASME on stainless and carbon pipe and D1.1 plate. I have no concern on the D1.1 part as I'm familiar. I am needing some assistance on getting started with the ASME part (Something new for me). The company already has the pieces prepped for inspection. I will have an ASME code book in the next few days but I was hoping someone could explain what the differences are with required documents, joint details, anything pertinent that a CWI should know for these pipe quals. Anything you could provide me with would be great.
Parent - - By swsweld (****) Date 02-13-2014 22:06 Edited 02-18-2014 18:20
welder2,
That's a pretty big question, haha, but I'll provide a few tips with limited time....but there are a lot of variables when it comes to Sect. IX WPQ's. One size does not fit all.

Start reading Article III QW 300, then look closely at the essential variables in that same section for the process that you will be testing the welders on.
QW-351 General
A welder shall be requalified whenever a change is made
in one or more of the essential variables listed for each
welding process.

Also look at QW-416
WELDING VARIABLES

Welder Performance for the relevant processes.
You will need to know a little about F-Numbers
QW-432
F-NUMBERS

and
QW-433 Alternate F-Numbers for Welder Performance Qualification
Will you bend or RT? For bend, see below. Always pay close attention if it is a Procedure or Performance requirement.QW-452 Performance Qualification Thickness
Limits and Test Specimens
QW-452.3
GROOVE-WELD DIAMETER LIMITS

QW-452.1 Groove-Weld Test.

QW-461.4 GROOVE WELDS IN PIPE — TEST POSITIONS
QW-461.9
PERFORMANCE QUALIFICATION — POSITION AND DIAMETER LIMITATIONS
You can get your P-Numbers from
QW/QB-422 FERROUS/NONFERROUS P-NUMBERS AND S-NUMBERS
Grouping of Base Metals for Qualification


For the documendation you must put a value in all blocks for essential variables but additional info is better than not enough as long as it's correct info. N/A what isn't relevant, don't leave it blank.
QW-484A SUGGESTED FORMAT A FOR WELDER PERFORMANCE QUALIFICATIONS (WPQ)
(See QW-301, Section IX, ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code)


These are the highlights, by no means is it all inclusive of Sect. IX pipe testing. When you get your code book follow these QW references and you will be in the right neighborhood but only time and experience will get you where you need to be. I'm still on the journey. Enjoy the trip and feel free to frequent the forum for help.
Parent - - By welder2 (*) Date 02-13-2014 22:56
Thank you so much for your help. I do have a couple questions:

Are there prequalified joints such as D1.1?
Will a mill test report be needed?

Last one, with your experience, can a CWI qualify a weld test when presented with an already bent specimen provided by the manufacture?

Thanks
Parent - By ctacker (****) Date 02-14-2014 02:09 Edited 02-14-2014 02:19
Are there prequalified joints such as D1.1?No
Will a mill test report be needed?Not really required as you are testing welds, not base material.( but you need to know what the base material is)
Last one, with your experience, can a CWI qualify a weld test when presented with an already bent specimen provided by the manufacture? How can you verify who welded what when the specimens are already bent?. You can look at the specimen and say whether it is a good bend or not, but I wouldn't put my name down as the one who qualified the welder.
Parent - - By swsweld (****) Date 02-14-2014 02:19
You're welcome.
The way that it should work is that you (your company) provide a WPS that contains all of the essential and non essential variables from Article II for the welders to follow. The WPS shall be qualified or, if applicable, be an AWS SWPS (Standard WPS) You can search the AWS website and purchase from there.

Find WQ-256, for GTAW, for example and remember to ALWAYS pay attention to if it a WPS, PQR or a WPQ.
For that process it will have an X in the column to determine if it is Essential or not. All Essential Variables must be addressed on the WPS. In the left hand column it has the paragraph (QW-402) then .1 to address Goove Design. Then a Brief of Variables, addition or deletion or a change as described in the specified paragraph.

See QW-100.1.

A mill test isn't an essential variable for a WPQ but it is a good document to have if there is ever any question internally or from an audit.

The grove angle, root face (land) and root opening will be specified on the WPS.

When you sign your name at the bottom of form QW-484A or your companies version, you are stating that the document is correct to the best of your knowledge. T
There is a block to sign for the Visual examination of completed weld (who did that?)
Welding supervised by...who did that?
Mechanical test conducted by...who did that?

If the answer is the shop forman/test shop supervisor of your company and the bend test is from a qualified lab and they used the correct dies for the material and THEY sign where applicable, then maybe but from what it sounds like to me. NOOO!
How do you know the welder didn't roll the test, what amps, filler material, fit up, root pass, etc...

Start with a WPS and go from there. It is the recipe for making welds with consistant good results.
Parent - - By marktski (**) Date 02-14-2014 16:09
Does a prequalified WPS from AWS d1.1 cover work being done in ASME B31.1?
Parent - By js55 (*****) Date 02-14-2014 16:47
No
Parent - By dbigkahunna (****) Date 02-19-2014 04:28
"Last one, with your experience, can a CWI qualify a weld test when presented with an already bent specimen provided by the manufacture?"

If you are signing the WPQ and you have to witness the test. I have worked with some companies that have a company rep test the welder then send the plates to a testing company. The testing company will cut and bend the specimens, but will only document the specimens were bent by them and with a accept or reject of the bend. But they do not sign off on the welder qualification.
And DO NOT STAMP THE WPQ's with a CWI stamp. If you do the testing just sign the WPQ's. That is all that is required. Stamping the WPQ does not make the papers any better.
Parent - By 46.00 (****) Date 02-18-2014 05:01
A very helpful post!
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