FYI just did side bend test on A514 1" plate ,1/16" root opening no backing( CJP) , GTAW root pass( ER70S-2),fill and cover with ER7018 H4R , Also used a 2" ram (instead of the 2 1/2" one) IT CAME OUT FLAWLESS Had a liitle time to spare today lol!!! also this is the first time on the original forum that I have heard so much about from BRENT ON THE NEW FORUM . I TO LIKE THIS FORUM . IT IS EASY TO USE AND FIND ALL THE GOOD STUFF QUICKLY MUCH BETTERRRR !! THANKS BRENT AND TO ALL OF YOU GUYS!!!