norcalwelder , thanks for clearing that (idk) up some of the abbreviations i see on the forum are hard for me to understand . now i have learned something new today . also good luck with your torch i did notice in your picture the hoses looked not as good as they could be and the hose clamps were not swaged crimp type . e-mail me your snail mail address , when our snow is gone and i can get into some of our containers i'll find a crimping tool and send it to you . good luck with your welding , i envy you at your age you have a world of welding ahead . willie