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- - By js55 (*****) Date 05-07-2007 20:04
What type of copper do most of you have, have experience with, or recommend in service for bulk systems for Oxygen and/or Argon delivery from bulk tanks to weld stations?  K, L, or M.
Parent - - By welderseller (**) Date 05-07-2007 23:21
As for the copper that you are looking to use for your bulk system- it is L grade copper. Be sure to specify "Clean for Oxygen use". That way the piping is certified free of contaminants and comes capped at both ends.
Also, if you are looking to pipe the system yourself, checkout Transair or Legris piping. Just google the name and the website should appear.
Parent - By js55 (*****) Date 05-08-2007 13:59
Thanks for the lead, and the info.
Parent - - By js55 (*****) Date 05-08-2007 15:35
Could you specify for me why L as opposed to the other two choices.
Parent - - By welderseller (**) Date 05-09-2007 11:04
Hope this helps.

K, having the heaviest walls, typically used for underground burial.
L, used for most purposes.
M, with the lightest walls, used for drainage and other low-pressure applications. (Some plumbing codes do not permit M.)

Type K
Nominal Size
(inches) Actual Outside Diameter
(inches) Tolerance on Outside Diameter
(inches) Wall Thickness
(inches)
Annealed1) Drawn2) Nominal Tolerance
1/4 3/8 0.375 0.002 0.001 0.035 0.0035
3/8 1/2 0.500 0.0025 0.001 0.049 0.005
1/2 5/8 0.625 0.0025 0.001 0.049 0.005
5/8 3/4 0.750 0.0025 0.001 0.049 0.005
3/4 7/8 0.875 0.003 0.001 0.065 0.006
1 1 1/8 1.125 0.0035 0.0015 0.065 0.006
1 1/4 1 3/8 1.375 0.004 0.0015 0.065 0.006
1 1/2 1 5/8 1.625 0.0045 0.002 0.072 0.007
2 2 1/8 2.125 0.005 0.002 0.083 0.008
2 1/2 2 5/8 2.625 0.005 0.002 0.095 0.010
3 3 1/8 3.125 0.005 0.002 0.109 0.011
3 1/2 3 5/8 3.625 0.005 0.002 0.120 0.012
4 4 1/8 4.125 0.005 0.002 0.134 0.013
5 5 1/8 5.125 0.005 0.002 0.160 0.016
6 6 1/8 6.125 0.005 0.002 0.192 0.019

Tubes of Type K are used for domestic water-, service and distribution-, fire protection-, solar-, fuel and oil-, HVAC-, compressed air-, natural gas-, LPG gas-, snow melting- and vacuum-systems.

Type L
Nominal Size
(inches) Actual Outside Diameter
(inches) Tolerance on Outside Diameter
(inches) Wall Thickness
(inches)
Annealed1) Drawn2) Nominal Tolerance
1/4 3/8 0.375 0.002 0.001 0.030 0.003
3/8 1/2 0.500 0.0025 0.001 0.035 0.004
1/2 5/8 0.625 0.0025 0.001 0.040 0.004
5/8 3/4 0.750 0.0025 0.001 0.042 0.004
3/4 7/8 0.875 0.003 0.001 0.045 0.004
1 1 1/8 1.125 0.0035 0.0015 0.050 0.005
1 1/4 1 3/8 1.375 0.004 0.0015 0.055 0.006
1 1/2 1 5/8 1.625 0.0045 0.002 0.060 0.006
2 2 1/8 2.125 0.005 0.002 0.070 0.007
2 1/2 2 5/8 2.625 0.005 0.002 0.080 0.008
3 3 1/8 3.125 0.005 0.002 0.090 0.009
3 1/2 3 5/8 3.625 0.005 0.002 0.100 0.010
4 4 1/8 4.125 0.005 0.002 0.114 0.011
5 5 1/8 5.125 0.005 0.002 0.125 0.012
6 6 1/8 6.125 0.005 0.002 0.140 0.014

Tubes of Type L are used for domestic water-, service and distribution-, fire protection-, solar-, fuel and oil-, HVAC-, compressed air-, natural gas-, LPG gas-, snow melting- and vacuum-systems.

Type M
Nominal Size
(inches) Actual Outside Diameter
(inches) Tolerance on Outside Diameter
(inches) Wall Thickness
(inches)
Annealed1) Drawn2) Nominal Tolerance
1/4 3/8 0.375 0.002 0.001  
3/8 1/2 0.500 0.0025 0.001 0.025 0.002
1/2 5/8 0.625 0.0025 0.001 0.028 0.003
5/8 3/4 0.750 0.0025 0.001  
3/4 7/8 0.875 0.003 0.001 0.032 0.003
1 1 1/8 1.125 0.0035 0.0015 0.035 0.004
1 1/4 1 3/8 1.375 0.004 0.0015 0.042 0.004
1 1/2 1 5/8 1.625 0.0045 0.002 0.049 0.005
2 2 1/8 2.125 0.005 0.002 0.058 0.006
2 1/2 2 5/8 2.625 0.005 0.002 0.065 0.006
3 3 1/8 3.125 0.005 0.002 0.072 0.007
3 1/2 3 5/8 3.625 0.005 0.002 0.083 0.008
4 4 1/8 4.125 0.005 0.002 0.095 0.010
5 5 1/8 5.125 0.005 0.002 0.109 0.011
6 6 1/8 6.125 0.005 0.002 0.122 0.012

Tubes of Type M are used for domestic water-, service and distribution-, fire protection-, solar-, fuel and oil-, HVAC-,  snow melting- and vacuum-systems.

1 in (inch) = 25.4 mm
1) Annealed tube is suitable for use with flared or compression fittings, and with solder-type fittings, provided rounding and sizing of the tube ends is performed where needed.

2) Drawn temper tube is suitable for use with solder-type fittings. Types A and B tube, in the drawn temper, are suitable for use with certain types and sizes of compression fittings. The standard length for drawn tubes are 20 ft (6.096 m).

The B88 specification covers seamless copper water tube suitable for general plumbing, similar applications for the conveyance of fluids, and commonly used with solder, flared, or compression-type fittings. The type of copper water tube suitable for any particular application is determined by the internal or external fluid pressure, by the installation and service conditions, and by local requirements. Means of joining or bending are also factors that affect the selection of the type of tube to be used.

This specification is the imperial companion of Specification B 88M.
Parent - By js55 (*****) Date 05-09-2007 13:14
Very helpful. Thank you
Parent - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 05-10-2007 02:49
A word of caution for homeowners using copper water pipe: L type is generally used for domestic water piping due to corosion issues that perferate M type too quickly in many areas. M type is commonly used in hydronic heating systems, as there is little corosion in the closed system. Where I live the well water is rather acedic, We inject a base compound as the pump runs to keep a neutrall PH.
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