Hey BozakTwo1!
Nowadays it's Montauk to Mystic on these newer high speed catamaran ferries but, when I used to ride on the traditional style ferry, I would drive out to Orient Point and take it directly to New London now that you've jarred my memory into working again... If I could'nt catch that one I could always take the scenic route ferry to Block Island then catch another one to New London but, I had to rely on public transportation since that ferry did'nt take cars, and if I was in a pinch, I would drive to MacArthur Airport in Long Island and catch a "puddle jumper" to "Rotten" Groton, Ct on the other side of the Thames.
I know!!! I helped build them (including my own Forum name) after I worked on quite a few of them when I was in the service while you were in Junior High school ;) have you been inside of EB or did you stay in Gales Ferry???
Quote from Bozaktwo1from previous post which I copied and pasted it to this post:
"So, Henry...you tellin' me that the hole I drilled and had metal still coming out after 4 inches is a bad thing?"
Where did I say that Bozaktwo1??? Seems like you're putting these words in for me!!!
Son! You should know better than to put words into an old salt's mouth!!!I was one of the first to "Weldcome" you here in the forum and I like your posts but, when you start writing stuff that I know - I never wrote or implied to, it just "rubs" me the wrong way so, make sure you get your facts straight before you misquote me - Capish?
Now let's go over this one more time so we're both on the same page... What in the heck are you talking about??? In other words, set or rather describe the scene inside and your location within... do'nt forget to mention as to whether or not your in a boomer as opposed to an attack boat and the specific class but, if it's classified do'nt get specific.... Just give me an idea of where it's located and what component you're dealing with in NAVSPEAK - Capish?
Btw, the methods you described how the boats you worked on were constructed... my response to that is "Not exactly!!!" EB and Newport News did not start using modular construction until the "Seawolf" and then the "Virginia' class boats so, answer this question for me Bozaktwo1... how many of these "Modular" constructed boats have been built??? Not many huh??? Most of the boats still in active service were built the way that was close to being "modular" but not exactly!!! Not quite with everything packed in side the hull sections before they "zipped" them together (I meant welded)!!! After that every thing else went in either thru the open end if possible or through the hatches so, construction took longer especially on the first three boats of the class... by the time they got to building the fourth boat of the class, they packed those sections up with just as many components as would be found in the newer modular type class of boats...
In other words their "bread and butter" were made after the first 3 boats as their efficiencies in construction and establishment of procedures were improved so in essence, the forst 3 boats of a class were starting with the first boat, a prototype with the second one being a subtantial improvement and the third one being the one where they finally got their act together as to putting the boats together efficiently. One must also consider that the components are fabricated with certain lead and lag schedules so by the time they got to the third boat, the components that were not yet fabricated in the construction of the first boat, were not only ready for installation but, also more than likely an improvement in the original design itself!!! I learned how to mirror weld in the USN only to make a living welding that way most of the time as a "Yardbird" after my discharge just in time to work on the first Trident!!! Go Figure huh???
Btw, do you know where most of the Idea's come from when it comes to improving the time it takes to construct the newr boats came from??? Not the designers!!! it's a combination of "Squid" and "Yardbird"
ingenuity that these designer with their fancy CAD systems could never envision because of their lack of understanding of the actual conditions present during construction and when these boats need to be serviced... Now the CVN21 (the Newest Aircraft Carrier design) project is using some virtual reality designing concepts that could fill in these gaps once they become proficient in using this very fascinating design tool and IMHO an excellent approach to marine design ;)
Now as far as the comparison of the pop rivet with the Kleco clamp/fastener is concerned... If there is an overwhelming majority of pop rivets that can be replaced when re-attaching the sections of duct work together, then most of the strength of the joint will be from the replacement poprivets which are overdesigned anyway so, in essence even if the Kleco's are'nt as strong as the pop rivets themselves - they really do'nt need to be because of the overcompensation in the design in the first place... All they need to do is to keep unecessary stress from the pop rivets by enabling a snug fit and therefore no loss of air flow or pressure within the ductwork - Capish?
Keep Admiral Hyman Rickover's spirit alive!!!
Fair winds to you son!
Respectfully,
Henry