i think i lucked out in school, i only had 9 months of schooling, about 35 hrs a week, on full 8 hr day was fab class, i got alot of information about alot of different stuff, we did a little of everything i think, they didnt "teach us" to do it, the gave us the necasarry info so that we could do it ourselves, however, i think alot of responsibility should lie in the company training the qualified individuals, my first welding job expected me to be able to preform like the guys that had been there for ten years, yeah, i could weld, and read a blue print pretty good, but i had never layed out a 45 foot I beam before, or a 35 foot handrail, i mean i was 19, i got layed off (permanently fired) because i was too slow, i was 19 yrs old, fresh out of welding school, how many doctors can preform a surgery right out of med school alone? and i've talked to alot of other welders from my area were the same thing happened, alot of good welders, that got discouraged like i almost did, the job i have now, one of the first things they said to me after i made it passed the tests, was that it didnt matter how much i got done, just dont f*(k up, that was the first time i had heard that in any of my jobs, my first weldin job actually made a rule that you couldnt take your welding helmet off between welds, fit up etc, cause it took to much time. its a funny thing there bankrupt and out of business now isnt it?