Help! Quick Question!

By shorthood2006 (****)

Date 12-26-2007 00:39

could be a wire going to your pc board, reed switch, brushes could be carboned up. could be mice! call kay at bills welder repair in okc. she will walk you "step by step".

By am0resperr0s1 (*)

Date 12-26-2007 00:57

Where could I get that number?! Thanks!

By louieRD (**)

Date 12-26-2007 01:05

405-232-4799 bill/ksellon

By am0resperr0s1 (*)

Date 12-26-2007 01:10

Thank You!! Merry Christmas!

By louieRD (**)

Date 12-26-2007 01:13

check youre connections to youre board, check remote/local switch,sorry not much help, please post youre outcome!

By 52lincoln (***)

Date 12-26-2007 01:18

yea, before you do anything make sure you got good connections

By KSellon (****)

Date 12-26-2007 16:55

Will your machine idle up when the switch is in high idle? If it will, make sure your wires to you board are clean and tight, but more than likely its your reed switch. This part is a copper strap and tube (reed switch) connected behind your output stud to the top of your selector. You will have a wire coming from the top and bottom. One going to pc board and the other going to a ground screw on the machine.

By pocket change (**)

Date 12-28-2007 06:01

if your exciter is not clean (blackend) wont this do the same not idle up? happend on my 200d cleaned it and welds like a champ. got a question though I have to clean it every 2 weeks asked lincoln man he said it is normal until everything is set has 250hrs on it and needs to be cleaned again never had brand new machine always had old red faces (every ting was set 20 years earlier) but needed tax write off and eight machine is enough. Have you heard of this before or is this b.s. from lincoln when I'm ready to weld thats what I want to do not work on it.first one I had would not hold high idle sent it back first day (that was not a good day).

By KSellon (****)

Date 12-28-2007 16:09

When you say exciter do you mean the idle solenoid? On the new 200d and 300d with the Kubota engine you HAVE to use 10w30 oil (this is stated in the manual). Any heavier weight oil gums up the solenoid causing the machine to idle erratically or surge. I have had machines in my shop with 60 hours up to 600 hours with this problem. Once the oil is changed to the proper weight and the solenoid is cleaned it works fine.

By KSellon (****)

Date 12-28-2007 16:28

Here is how your idler board works- 12v is supplied by the red wire from your reed switch, energizing the circuit and idling machine up. The white wire or "W" on the board grounds the circuit idling the machine down.

Will the machine go to high idle when you have the toggle in high?

By pocket change (**)

Date 12-29-2007 03:27 Edited 12-29-2007 03:35

no iam talking about on the end of your armature (exciter brushes) but yes it does idle up with switch. It gets harder to strike arc and finally wont even strike an arc. when you pull cap off it is solid black cant even see copper color anymore inside brush rack does'nt even look like it has been used bright copper color. lincoln also said it was because I was not working machine hard enough (burned3/16" low hyd. 12 1/2 hours a day for 6 days straight) running 3/16" 70+ right now dont let machine sit and idle for long periods of time maybe 5- 10 min. machine was also load banked before I run it? altough it only had 000.4 hrs when recived said they unhook hour meter have you heard this before? also the first machine that was sent back had a bad pc board. I was told by company that sold machine to run 30w straight (multi grade was not needed because it does not get cold enough) I am running delo now and change all filters oil fuel and air because of dusty conditions and company provided fuel out of drag up tank. hopefully they were right hate changing oil

By louieRD (**)

Date 12-29-2007 13:26

I'm not a mechanic by any means, but I have learned keeping your armature and brushes cleaned and shiny is good proper maintenance and is something that Lincoln will charge you and arm and a leg on labor for what is usually very easy. Purchase a commutater stone and with the machine running, use it on the "solid black" until it's shiny copper. Also check your brushes and see if they're gooped up.

By KSellon (****)

Date 12-29-2007 18:25

Pc are you talking about your SA200 or your 200D?

Either way in both machines the oil is 10w30.

If you are talking about your SA200 exciter arm being black, then you need to make sure ALL brushes are setaed properly and riding up and down in the brush holders. Excessive carbon in the generator and exciter housing is caused by misseated brushes. When you reseat brushes and clean the armature surfaces, run the machine on high idle working with armature rotation in front of EACH brush.

With you saying it gets harder to strike an arc the longer you have been using it, I'd have to say you have a faulty connection somewhere in the circuit. As it heats up it starts failing. Is you idle solenoid clean and dry? DO NOT oil or use anything to try and assist the plunger in the solenoid. It will only gum things up and block the magnet in the solenoid.

The F163 is an industrial engine and running the machine in the 120-190 range most of its life doesn't use a 1/4 of the power this engine has. This causes the cylinders to carbon up which in turn causes your machine to 'diesel' when you kill it. Whn you change the oil run some 'hog leg' rod on maxine. This will shoot carbon out the exhaust like fireworks.

By pocket change (**)

Date 12-30-2007 02:20

talking about 200d. So they were wrong about straight 30w, dang guess I will change in a.m. I used com stone on exciter and made sure all dust was gone after using. Was told to use white vineger and water mixed 50/50 put it in spray bottle and spray on exciter and brushes they will clean to like to condition. Have u seen this before? What is the best way to clean other than stone? looked at brushes and exciter they are not as black as last time maybe just getting seated in hopefully

By ctacker (****)

Date 12-30-2007 02:44

I am not a welder mechanic but i DO know that we used to use a soft pad grinder to make swirls on steel, then spray with vineger and water to put a coat of rust on to give the ssteel a rustic look, dont know how spraying an exiter with that would help but I have been wrong before, and thats about all the experiance i have with vineger and water!

By pocket change (**)

Date 12-30-2007 03:31

yeah its what I thought said reg vineger was differnt than white and would not hurt a thing unwilling to try on 10k or even 1k dollar machine. I am sure there is something else you could use though other than stone? (the guy who told me this runs 1/2 quart of trans. fluid to 1 tank of fuel said its for cylinder lube (????????) so consider the source

By 52lincoln (***)

Date 12-30-2007 09:51

Thats true about tranny fluid.my brother is a diesel mech and said to do that.lubes o rings,injecters ext.

By pocket change (**)

Date 12-31-2007 00:23

true, but he uses on a sa200 gas machine not diesel ( I use lucas on diesel trucks and machines) I suppose it works the same way for gasoline but his smokes like a frieght train someone told him to do an overhaul and he said it is just the transmission fluid. Dont know anyone wanting there machine to smoke but hey "It's not mine". Cylinders are well lubed for sure. I dont think lincoln had problem with cylinder lube some are 30 years old and still dont need overhaul

By DaveBoyer (*****)

Date 12-31-2007 03:37

There are people who swear by adding a little Marvel Mystery Oil to thier gas. The instructions on the can say to do it for "top cylinder lubrication". I think the only special thing about MMO is those pyramids on the can, they have to be good for something :-) I suspect MMO might be trans fluid, but I wonder if it is Dextron or Ford type. I have run 50:1 2 cycle mix in plenty of 4 stroke engines, I didn't hurt anything, but as You mentioned engines seem to last pretty long even if You don't add oil to the gas.