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Up Topic Welding Industry / Technical Discussions / Welding of 304L Stiffener Plate to existing 317LMN Vessel
- - By scott_pa Date 04-02-2008 21:31
I am interested in getting opinions about making some welds to an exising vessel constructed from 317LMN stainless steel.  The engineer has specified that some structural stiffeners (304L) be added, mainly with fillet welds.

I've got an ASME Section IX format WPS/PQR (SMAW) for P8 Group 1 to P8 Group 1 that I'd like to use for this application.  317LMN appears to be P8 Group 4, and 304L is P8 Group 1.  AWS D1.6 Table F.1 recommends 308L (SFA 5.4) for the filler.

Some questions:
- Will the existing P8 G1 to P8 G1 procedure be adquate for this application?
- What is the advantage of 308L over say 317L filler for SMAW welding?
- The existing vessel is now in service at 120 deg. F - is there any special procedure or recommendation for making these welds to the existing steel at this elevated temperature?
- Is unused stainless weld rod typically kept in a rod oven - or is there any other storage recommendation for this type of rod once the can is opened?

Thanks!
Parent - By G.S.Crisi (****) Date 04-03-2008 00:15
120 F, roughly 50 Celsius, is not to be considered an elevated temperature. It's the "warm to the hand" temperature to which a welding end should be heated up when room temperature is cold.
Giovanni S. Crisi
Sao Paulo - Brazil
Parent - By GRoberts (***) Date 04-03-2008 03:50
Unless the vessel also sees very low temperatures, and CVN testing is required, the group numbers don't matter with regards to procedure qualificaiton as a change in group numbers is only a supplementary essentail variable.  The 308L is a logical choice for joining to a higher grade stainless steel, as it will have adequate ferrite to avoid cracking issues, while will match the corrosion resistance of the 304L that you are attaching.  So if the 304L is adequate in its location, the 308L will be as well. 

As far as your temperature is concerned, welding at 120F is not a problem.  The base metal would be at that temperature after the first pass of a multi-pass weld anyway.  Just make sure the maximum interpass temperature does not exceed 350F.

You want to keep the stainless rod dry, but in order to avoid porosity, not hydrogen cracking as you would with low alloy steel rod.  So if you can weld without porosity, your storage conditions are adeqate.  You can't hurt the rod by putting it in an oven at 200-250F.  However, the best route is to consult the manufacturer's recommendations.
Parent - By scott_pa Date 04-04-2008 01:59
Thanks guys - great answers all around & a great site.

Best Regards
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