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- - By jrw159 (*****) Date 05-01-2008 20:29
We had an incident yesterday where we had an employee in the sandblast booth working alone. There was a minor accident, and had things gone differently, or been worse we could very well have walked in on a dead man. I was not aware this was being done this way as my first and immediate question was "Was he working alone in there?" Answer, "Yes"'. In my past experiance, the type of enclosed booth we use was considered to be a confined space insomuch that no one closed the doors and went to work without a partner. We are going to implement this practice, but I would like some input on this.

While it may be good practice to work with a partner in a situation like this, is it mandated?

To what extremes should one go to?

This is a typical enclosed booth with no windows, with the door shut you can not see in and they can not see out. No emergency/help alert buttons, or communication.

Any input on this will be greatly appreciated.

John
Parent - - By dbigkahunna (****) Date 05-02-2008 01:50
A hazard in a space does not make it a confined space. This should be covered in a pre-job or JHA
And a partner in a permit required confined space only makes two people in the wrong place.
Classifying a space as a permit required confined space requires a BUNCH of different things, such as a standby rescue crew, training in CPR, a entry supervisor and much more. It is a lot more than saying this is a confined space and you cant be in there by yourself. Classifying a space as a permit required confined space opens a lot doors you may not want to open.
It sounds to me you need a better hazard recognition program or a Behavior Based Safety program with a Job Hazard Analysis (JHA) program
http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=STANDARDS&p_id=9797
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/confinedspaces/index.html
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Parent - - By jrw159 (*****) Date 05-02-2008 02:16 Edited 05-02-2008 02:20
BigK,
  First off let me thank you for your valuable input, as I am well aware of the vast amounts of knowlede you hold in classified confined spaces in the oil and gas industry.

My intent is not to classify this as a confined space, but rather to identify it properly for what it is and act accordingly.

Our situiation will require, to some extent, what you have mentioned, pre-job JHA and possibly a pre-job and shift change over checklist.

This is not a cofined space in the sense of livability, just communication in the case of an accident.IMO

Also, thank you very much for the links, and what I have been recently assigned to is addressing the very thing you have mentioned, hazard recognition, among many other safety issues we are facing.

Bearing this in mind, would you say that some "confined space" practices, or variations of them, should be reasonably implimented?

And if so any ideas are more than welcome.

John
Parent - - By dbigkahunna (****) Date 05-02-2008 23:35
There is a difference between a confined space and a permit required confined space(PRCS). The OSHA standard is concerned with PRCS. From what you describe is a hazard. OSHA allows a person trained in confined space to classify the space as a non-permit required confined space, a permit required confined space or not a confined space. This person must be trained in first hazard recognition and second in classification of the space. With this training usually comes the ability to be a confined space entry supervisor. This applies if you enter a vessel, vault or a grain silo.
Almost any space can be classified as a confined space. A closet or your garage. I do not think your company wants to go this direction. Do you want to spend training someone in CS training and classification when the training could be used in training more workers in hazard recognition? That is a management call.
OSHA gets pretty picky when you start calling a space a confined space. You may have the best intentions in the world by calling these spaces "Confined Space" and put people in them whthout the backup documentation saying how these spaces were classified and by whoom. saying whe call them confined spaces so the workers will take better precautions could open your company up to some legal issues.
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Parent - - By jrw159 (*****) Date 05-03-2008 00:12
BigK,
  Points well taken, and I do somewhat understand what a beast OSHA can be concerning some things. I might also add that it is well based and for the best that they do what they they do.

Do you know what is involved with, and where to go for, first hazard recognition training that you have mentioned? This sounds like something that would be benificial in more than identifying confined spaces, from the description.

Also funding is not an issue where I am at right now. They will gladly pay for better safety practices and training.

And again thank you for your time and knowledge.

John
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 05-03-2008 03:23
You didn't say anything about the nature of the incident.

Any details?

Al
Parent - - By jrw159 (*****) Date 05-03-2008 03:59 Edited 05-10-2008 13:50
Al,
I have hesitated to go into detail until I had completly evaluated the incident and had all necessary reports filled out.

What happened in short: Man in sandblast booth removes last section of grating that covers the auger so that the built up media at the end of the booth would be easier to dispose of. Leaves for break. After break he switches with another employee (they are both sandblasters but one preps and the other sandblasts and they trade off) this employee suits up, goes in and shuts the door. Works his way down the two pieces he has and at the end steps where there should be a cover, slides down the sloped side, which is about hip high or so, and into the auger. This auger is about a 7" diameter auger with a 3" shaft. By the grace of God, the auger blade came down right on top of his steel toe and siezed, yes siezed. He was very scared at this point and had to struggle to get his foot out of his boot while also keeping the rest of himself out of the auger in case it let loose. Did I mention we are in TX and it is kind of warm down here. He made it to the door, with a twisted ankle and slight heat exaustion and scared. Nobody had a clue there was a problem until he fell through the exit door. 

I now am implimenting a work procedure that will eliminate this issue for the rare instances such as heat stroke, or heart attack, and other unforeseen events, as well as introduced a new set of safety and maintnance procedures for this area. NO MORE grates left off-EVER.

Also, when the maintnance man came to remove the boot, he shut the power off. I asked him as he jumped down in if he had locked and tagged out the breaker. He looked right at me and said, si si.

I go check, and this man that I just two weeks ago bought all the equipment for LOTO for, as well as a Spanish/English training program for, given the training class to including the tests, HAD NOT LOCKED AND TAGGED THE EQUIPMENT OUT.  Sorry to yell, but I was a little exited by this point. I retrained all of our authorized employees for LOTO again this morning. .

If you do not use it, it will not help!!

John
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Parent - - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 05-03-2008 05:11
   John, at the auto frame plant there was a rule [I don't know if by OSHA or the company] that no one worked alone in a building, simply because there would be no one to get help if something happened. We often worked overtime beyond the end of the shift, if it was a one man job they kept the store room clerk or a crane operator as the second person.
Parent - By jrw159 (*****) Date 05-03-2008 15:37
Dave,
  This is what we are implimenting for the time being, until better measures can be identified and put in to place.

I worked in a bus manufacturing plant that was the same way.

I gained a healthy respect for that procedure as well as not operating equipment that you have not been properly trained to operate.

In there on a Sunday with the steel crew and I went to bend a piece of metal on the brake. Now I had been shown how to use this machine with 1/4" dies only. I had not been shown how to change them out. This piece was 1/2" and I "thought I new what I was doing" and proceeded to change out to what I "thought" was the 1/2" dies.

Everything was going smooth at this point and confidence is high. I positioned the piece hit the foot pedal to grip it, and move my arm up and placed my hand on the face of the machine as i usually do, pedal down, BAMM!!! ZING! Ding... ding... ding... crash.  

I looked down just as it when between my belly and my right arm (I know this only because I saw it as a blur) and shot across the shop floor between two buses and hit the wall approximatly 50' from where I was standing.

3/8" dies, busted and a 13" piece off of the bottom die abot 2 1/2" inches thick in the middle and tapering off at both ends, sharp.

Six inches in one direction or the other would have resulted in me without a right arm from the elbow down, or laying there in a pile of my own guts. Also this brake was located in another department across the facility from where my guys were, no one would have had a clue if I would have bled out right there in front of that brake.

Scared the CRAP out of me and I stood there after immediatly shutting down the machine, and just pondered what had just occured.

Never again will I operate, or allow an employee to operate ANY equipment that they have not been trained correctly to use.

And no one works in the facility alone. Not even security.

Of course it is not this way with every company, but most of the larger facility's will have somthing like this in place.

John
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 05-03-2008 14:01
I understand your concern.

I had a one man grit blasting operation in my facility where all the pressure vessels were blasted before being painted.  Both the blast booth and the enclosed paint booths were one man operations and both men were out of sight when they were working.

We had an incident where one of the vessels fell over on the grit blaster.  There was no way of knowing the man was in distress. I was fortunate from the standpoint that the accident happened before I was hired as the fabrication manager, so I was tasked with devising a plan to ensure the same thing couldn't happen again.

In short, the vessels had to be secured with at least two bolts to a steel skid to prevent toppling and a deadman switch was installed on the blast nozzle so that if the hose was dropped it would shut down the system and a flashing red beacon was activated. If the hose was hung on the "hook", no alarms were sounded. We also had a system that activated a yellow beacon whenever the doors to the booth were closed. Every 10 minutes or so a coworker would look through the port to see that everything was alright. A perfect system, no, but better than no system.

For the issues of heat stroke and heat exhaustion, we purchased a venturi apparatus that was installed in the positive breathing air line. It blew cool to cold air into the grit blaster's suit to keep him cool. It worked too good. He used to suit up and go into the blast booth to keep cool on the hot summer days even when there was no blasting to be done.

I would think that with all the radio activated devices available today, you could hook up a "kill" switch that could be carried on the blaster's person and activated if any mishap took place, i.e., he stumbled and falls, etc. The kill switch could shut the system down and activate a beacon to notify shop personnel something was amiss.

Best regards - Al
Parent - By jrw159 (*****) Date 05-03-2008 15:46
Al,
Thanks for the great input, these sound like easily acheivable safety measures for us. Will it be cheap? No. But way less expensive than a dead body.

I hate digging graves in the dead of night. LOL :-)

John
Parent - By jrw159 (*****) Date 05-09-2008 20:50
Pic's posted.

John
Parent - - By dbigkahunna (****) Date 05-04-2008 01:05
Google OSHA 510 for construction and OSHA 511 for general industry
Depending on where you live there should be a company close that can help you with this
http://behavior.org/safety/
Behavior Based programs put the safety into the workers hands and make it their responsibility. Most unions do not like this. And for BHB programs to really work it must be bought into from top management to the entry level worker. Most BHB programs fall because management does not really back it when the going starts getting tough and the $$ go up. A good BHB program is not cheap to implement and start. But if done right after 1-2 years the workers themselves will make the administration easier. If backed by management.
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Parent - - By MDG Custom Weld (***) Date 05-08-2008 17:08
Our local fire department has monitors that are the size of a credit card that clips on their coat when they enter a fire scene.  The monitor is like some type of gyro that senses if someone does not move for more than 10 seconds.  When the time has lapsed an ear piercing beeper goes off to alert others that someone is down and where they are by the sound.  I'm sure more advanced monitors like this are available that could be tied to some kind of warning light outside the chamber to alert others something is wrong.
Parent - By jrw159 (*****) Date 05-08-2008 17:55
MDG,
  Thanks for the input. I am currently looking into several variations of this to decide what will work best for our situation.

John
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