tex enough. listen i would seriously like to know, a little more about your game and the way you operate, a lad your age in your game, well it says a lot. if you don,t mind, a message if you like,we shouldn,t take this too seriously.best of luck. f/j superflux i appreciate you sending your message privately i read back and i was rude ,it won,t happen again, i noticed a thread a while back but i cant find it, someone asked the difference in a 6013 cap and a 7018 , i had this pic on my phone camera the left hand pipe is 6013 5g the other is 7018 4 quarters. f/j
ok, im going to sound like the dumb one here... but this is bugging me. In school we ran a bit of 6013 all flat but we ran it AC. The little I was taught about 6013 is that its an AC rod used for light gauge welding or when appearence is important, and that it wasnt as good for out of position.
Now, this whole thread seems to be proving my teachers wrong...
Were my teachers lying to me, or was I not getting the whole picture?
BTW, the few 6013s ive burned were quite enjoyable, loved watching the slag peel off on its own.
Nice welds Flange Jockey, very shiny :)
thank you all,
-Clif
Hello Clif, I don't necessarily believe your instructors were lying to you so much as not including much information about this rod due to it's limited use in certain geographical areas or industries and possibly also related to not being allowed by certain codes and applications. When I was in school, E6013 was often referred to as "farmers" rod, hence the possibility that there are not many industrial type applications of it in certain areas. This is not to say that the rod can't have applications in an industrial setting as can be witnessed by flange jockeys use of it. Hope that makes sense. Best regards, Allan
Come on now PlasmaBrain.
Don't blame it on your teachers :)
The third digit of E6013 (1) tells you that it's an all position rod.
The fourth digit (3) tells you that it may be used with all polarities (a different characteristic for each polarity)
Your teachers told you all that !!!!! :)
Did your school require textbooks per chance? I'm sure all that information was to be found nestled within the pages with charts and graps to support it no doubt. :)
6013 is super versatile
With DCEP it has its deepest penetration profiles and suits best for structural applications.
With DCEN it has shallow penetration and quicker burnoff so it is better suited for sheet metal and vertical down operations.
With AC the penetration profile is someplace between the two polarities and has the added benefit of eliminating arc blow and being usable on the least expensive power supplies (the buzz box)
PS: Having just given another final exam on Thursday. I can assure you that a piece of information may be communicated many different times and in many different ways, even so... The information may not be absorbed even for a short amount of time.
Lawrence, I vaguely remember hearing about how to tell different rods apart by the numbers, and what they meant, but about all that stuck did the first 2 digits equal the tensile strength. The polarity and position of the rods are lost to me, and there's a trace in my memory of something to do with the type of flux coating being associated to the numbers on the rod. Other than that it was in one ear and out the other.
Having said that I fully acknowledge that it was my own doing if I failed to remember what I was taught. My teachers were all top notch welders and I'm grateful to have learned under them. Sorry if i made it seem like i was blaming them.
I didn't pay much attention to the different stick rods because all we had to "play" with was 6010, 6013, and 7018. Pretty much all 7018 V grooves with 6010 roots for pipe, then 7018 fill. The 6013 was used to train students how to strike an arc and hold a puddle, all flat.
That and most of the jobs around the area are MIG/Flux core, so that's what I was paying more attention to. ;)
I'll have to go get a box of 6013 and try some vert and overhead and see what it's like.
-Clif
Clif, bear in mind that unlike people, not all 6013's are created equal. In My old Hobart Vest pocket guide they offer (4) different 6013 rods and an iron poder version that latter became a 6014. Of the (4) 6013's offered they each handled slightly differently and were optumised for different aplications. I don't know what is offered today, as My "up to date" literature is about 15 years old.
