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- - By Taintedhalo (*) Date 09-23-2008 18:21
If company 1 wants company 2 to build something for them using D1.1 for the code. Can company 1 say that company 2 has to use company 1's wps's to Qualify company 2's welding operators?

I know the question is kind of vague sorry.
Parent - By motgar (**) Date 09-23-2008 19:11
AWS D1.1/D1.1M:2006

4.1.2.2 Qualification Responsibility.  Each manufacturer or Contractor shall be responsible for the qualification of welders, welding operators and tack welders, whether the qualification is conducted by the manufacturer, Contractor, or an independent testing agency.
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 09-24-2008 01:06
The owner can specify nearly anything in the purchase order as long as the requirements are clearly stated and the owner is prepared to pay the price quoted by the fabricator.

However, don't attempt to add the requirement as an after-thought after the contract has been awarded.

Best regards - Al
Parent - By Taintedhalo (*) Date 09-24-2008 12:13
Well I work for Company 2. And we have build stuff for Company 1 before (way before my time) and I guess the CWI at the time was fighting with them about this subject. Now he is gone and people have been talling me that he had a heck of a time with this. I just want to be Cocked, Locked and ready to Rock when we start dealing with the paper work part of this nightmare.

Thanks
Parent - By kipman (***) Date 09-24-2008 12:36
Halo,
The above responses are correct.  Motgar points you in the right direction in the code.  Al's comment is also on the money - for more info on that go to 1.4.1 of the code.  If the Engineer approves it, company 2 can use company 1's WPSs.
Mankenberg
Parent - - By HgTX (***) Date 09-24-2008 18:29 Edited 09-24-2008 19:58
For welding operator qualification, it shouldn't matter whose WPS it is.  D1.1 paragraph 4.18 implies no WPS is required at all for welder/welding operator qualification, as long as you meet position & process requirements; D1.5 just calls for "a WPS", not even "an approved WPS".

Production procedures are another story.  It's a little iffy to use WPSs qualified by one facility in another facility; if that were okay, there would be data banks of PQRs for sale (not to be confused with SWPS) so that anyone could write WPSs from them.  But as others have said, whatever the Engineer buys is legal.

Hg
Parent - - By motgar (**) Date 09-24-2008 19:56
What year D1.1 are you referencing? 

Paragraph 5.18, in the 2006 edition, is titled Temporary and Tack Welds.
Parent - By HgTX (***) Date 09-24-2008 19:58
Oops.  4.18.  I'll edit my post.

Hg
Parent - - By motgar (**) Date 09-24-2008 20:28
Paragraph 4.21, in D1.1:2006, first sentence says: "The welding personnel shall follow a WPS applicable to the qualification test required."
Parent - - By HgTX (***) Date 09-24-2008 20:41
Cool.  It made more sense to have something there, but I couldn't find it when I went looking.  Regardless, it doesn't get very specific about what kind of WPS other than it be "applicable" (which to me means position & process to be qualified).  I have it on good authority that the D1.5 interpretation is that Engineer approval or pre-existing PQR for the welder qualification WPS is not required, and D1.5 is a lot fussier about that sort of thing.

Hg
Parent - By Taintedhalo (*) Date 09-30-2008 14:40
haven't seen paper work yet but more then likely 2006.
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