thanks for the help guys!!!! i wasnt to clear on my post, what i meant is if you making rails for steps that come down at a 45 deg angle your angle on the top rail is like 135 deg. wich would be two 67.5 degree cuts, that would make your rail come down at a 45, theres times they want the steps coming down at a 40 deg or 38 deg, i was just wondering if there were saddle patterns for all of them angles. and yes its using 1 1/2 or 2 in pipe.