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- - By Blaster (***) Date 04-21-2014 20:15
Do you conduct any training on magnetization, measuring magnetization, and demagnetizing procedures prior to welding?

If so, I would like to learn about your lesson.  It is not something I am experienced with, but it seems like something that would be a good component of a well rounded training program.

Thanks
Parent - - By SCOTTN (***) Date 04-21-2014 21:52
Parent - - By Blaster (***) Date 04-22-2014 21:35
Thank you both very much.

I have used that Lincoln lesson as a web-based homework assignment on arc blow for years.  I think it does a great job of explaining arc blow and provides the theory needed to reliably minimize it.  The same diagrams are also in Lincoln's "New Lessons In Arc Welding" and I believe also in Lincoln's "The Procedure Book of Arc Welding".;  The former I used as a welding student myself.

What I am most interested in, and unfamiliar with, is demagnetizing operations.  Perhaps they are fairly specialized?
Parent - - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 04-22-2014 23:31 Edited 04-22-2014 23:37
here are some links where demagnetizing welds and other items are described in more detail although SCOTTN's link pretty much covers what you what to know about the process...
And YES it is a specialized process as there are many variables to consider with each application...

This one is a really good article to teach about magnetism and specifically Magnetic Arc Blow:

http://www.ssab.com/Global/HARDOX/Brochures/en/046_TS_SSAB_plate_magnetism_in_the_steel_UK.pdf?epslanguage=en

These are some other sites I just skimmed through so bear with me:

http://www.goudsmit-magnetics.nl/EN/About-magnetism/Demagnetization

http://www.engineerlive.com/content/22345

http://www.westerninstruments.com/markcontent/45DemagPipeEnds.pdf

http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/MagParticle/Physics/Demagnetization.htm

http://www.demagsolutions.com/other-applications/welding

http://www.demagsolutions.com/causes-of-magnetism-in-pipelines

http://www.demagsolutions.com/products/pipeline-demagnetizing-bundle

http://home.btconnect.com/diversetech/literatu/dkpw.pdf

Here's an interesting site for DIY'ers:

http://www.instructables.com/id/Demagnetizing-a-screwdriver/

http://poluxtec.com.br/arquivos_html/Auto%20Degauss.pdf

Now this is getting deep:

http://link.aps.org/accepted/10.1103/PhysRevLett.106.195301

http://www.rare-earth-magnets.com/t-magnet-university.aspx

This one is about pain relief using magnetism - does it really work?

http://nccam.nih.gov/health/magnet/magnetsforpain.htm

Okay, that's enough so let's get back to welding magnetism:

http://www.walmag.cz/media/40487/Demagnetizer_MM_VE.pdf

http://www.tmt.unze.ba/zbornik/TMT2006/313-TMT06-148.pdf

http://www.crc-evans.com/equipment/specialized-equipment/support-equipment

And finally, A magnet design handbook:

http://www.rare-earth-magnets.com/Permanent-Magnet-Selection-and-Design-Handbook.pdf

Well, that's it for now...:surprised::grin::smile::lol::wink::cool:

Respectfully,
Henry
Parent - - By Blaster (***) Date 04-23-2014 14:22
Holy cow, thanks Henry!

It will take me a week to read all that.  Thank you very much!
Parent - - By Lawrence (*****) Date 04-25-2014 13:53 Edited 04-25-2014 13:56
Blaster,

I'm sure AC SMAW operations were mentioned in Henery's links...   This is what I typically do when welding fixtures begin to cause arc blow.

However I have some high current SAW fixtures that had become so magnitized they cold literally hold a half pound plate.   AC operations did not dmag in a reasonable time...

I appoached Lincoln on this and one of their engineers suggested the same SMAW AC set-up... Largest possible electrode and current setting the power supply could handle... But instead of just doing welding operations, he told me to simply dead short the electrode into the offending workpiece and let it stay that way until the electrode became unstable or the internal breaker in the power supply kicked...  I did this several times while moving the work clamp to each point on the fixture...   It worked.

Edit:
I have never seen this approach published openly...  You need a SMAW power supply with a pretty robust duty cycle as you might imagine.
Parent - By 357max (***) Date 08-19-2014 03:52
A fan cooled AC transformer can be dead shorted to the fixture with a 200 amp output. The voltage will be about 1 volt therefore a 200 watt output for demagnetizing a fixture while welding.
Parent - By Tyrone (***) Date 04-25-2014 11:18
Hey Blaster,
You will need to develop your own demagnetizing process and procedures since lots of variables affect the demag results. 

I've only worked with a large scale, loop style demagnetizer.  What I found was, material type, part geometry, # of cycles, part orientation, size of part, (and more), all affect the gauss level.  Therefore, multiple procedures were required, mainly based on the part being demag'd. 

Tyrone
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