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Up Topic Chit-Chat & Non-Welding Discussion / Off-Topic Bar and Grill / Nepotisim: The oilfield/energy gig and my official rant
- - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 02-16-2015 21:41 Edited 02-16-2015 21:54
Everyone involved knows it, everyone involved talks about it to some degree.  Few of you "normal" folks have a clue about it.  After a couple of years dealing with that particular venue I just want to spout off about it and be done.  I do not really care what the responses may be positive or negative, I lived it that's all that matters to me.  For all you entrepreneurs and others that may be outside that box at the moment...well this is just my personal warning to you.

90% of it is a personality contest, NOT A SKILLS CONTEST.  If its oil rigs if it looks good then it is good....that is your NDT.  If it is something code then on test day you BETTER meet a few requirements if nobody there knows you personally.  You better have a lincoln machine on your truck, (any condition but best if it will actually run long enough to complete the test...after that dont worry, it can break down an the brotherhood will rescue you somehow), if you got a Miller your truck should be pretty damm late model (look like your making payments on truck and machine).  This is excruciatingly important:  Make sure your truck bed is chopped off right behind the axle and you can only carry at best a weed burner, a few pipe wedges, four pipe stands and maybe a beveler....any more than that and you are pushing your luck.  If your carrying all that plus mag drills, **** tons of grinders, layout tools, levels and all that then you are a specialist and must only work on drilling rigs where you have to fabricate; So obviously you cannot weld pipe for ****.  Try hard to dress like the strawboss giving you the test and if your taller then him, stoop and get at eye level.  If your driving a real old rig, and you remind the strawboss of his grandpa he will probably let you shoot a test or if visual say your good to go....if your 30 something and show up with a 20 year 0ld truck ur not worth a damm.  You can still test but you WILL FAIL.  If they hunt deer, YOU HUNT DEER....if they worked a ****ty job for CBI, you worked a ****ty job for CBI.....well you get the point.   90% of the time if you do weld anything on test day it, gets looked at by a guy whose credentials are (we trust him, he is a good welder).  If he likes you...... oh sorry your coupon then a qualified CWI or xray tech may look at it next.  Your straps may or may not get bent...your coupon may or may not get xrayed.....ehhh its mostly irrelavant at this point...now that testing is established lets go to the worksite.

WHY do I even bother saying this?  Thousands of dollars and time spent out of my own pocket.  For what I know was not even the beginning of a fair shake. Lets not even get into the test ten I got five buddies coming next week scenario....its pretty common I am finding out.

WOW every welder gives stories about a busted test or getting run off and in the REAL WORLD most of that probably relates to you could not weld or show up for work or something.  Then you got the oilfield/pipeline/energy industry which is a bottomless pit of money and......  Just trying to establish for you guys that have not put your hat in YET....its a circus and simply a game....what it has to do with codes, qualifications, testing, science and skill is little to none compared to the rest of the welding world.  I am sure as hell gonna probably offend some specs/welders in whatever way here.....but at the same time I KNOW and they KNOW what I am talking about....its a F&&^^NG joke.

Well if you passed testing, keep ur mouth shut and work as much as they let ya.

Ehhh tell me to go whine somewhere else, whatever ya want.......that crap is just a silly little game.  I happily go somewhere I have to prove it and as long as I prove it I am good.

AND YES: lots of you folks warned me...I am stubborn, you were right.
Parent - - By 46.00 (****) Date 02-16-2015 21:53
Do or Die, for CB&I
Parent - By welderbrent (*****) Date 02-17-2015 02:30
C= Cousins
B= Brothers
I= Inlaws

If you're not related, good luck.  I guess I had the right in-laws already on the welding crew.  Worked for them for ...a while. 

Brent
Parent - - By Smooth Operator (***) Date 02-17-2015 01:26
Tommy, I "noticed" the same thing up here in the Northeast U.S. w/ Marcellous Shale Play.....Energy Co.'s , Drillers, Service Co's and on and on......like to deal with their established vendors form Texas & Oklahoma .......Only way in is if they get in a jam.....( my personal experience)...... Way I look at it is, it's call patronage ...... I have customers that I am tight with.....I always get "last look "on a job that's bid .... And I've been known to help estimate a job going in at ground level ( beginning).....I've also been known to help a good customer out of a jam when they're "over budget ".......I guess it's the same in the energy game , (even at the welding job level) you have to have contacts/ connections and that's just the way it is buddy.......IMHO...... ( EXAMPLE: If the "cracker " ever comes to town and I need rig welders , you'll be on the short list for a call !!!!!!!) Hang in there Buddy !!!!!!!:cool:
Parent - By SCOTTN (***) Date 02-17-2015 15:03
Don’t forget the MIL.

MIL = Mother In Law

A lot of people don’t realize this, but when you rearrange the letters in the words “Mother In law” you get the words “Woman Hitler”.  Is it just a coincidence? I think not, though, I must admit; she did convert me to religion.  I never really believed in Hell until I met her.  I remember the first time she came to visit right after I married her daughter.  My wife was all excited and said “Do you realize that my mother is coming over for dinner in 5 minutes?” I replied, “Yes I know, I'm getting ready now.” “That sounds like her car pulling up outside.” “No, that's my taxi, see you later”, but unfortunately, it was her.  She came in, without knocking, walked through the house, and inspected every inch of it.  She noticed a picture of herself in our living room and said “If you hate me so much, why is my picture on the fireplace mantle?”  I replied “To keep the kids away from the fire.” Then she noticed something on the wall in the hallway and smugly commented “That’s the ugliest piece of modern art I have ever seen.” Then I said “No, it’s a mirror.”  Later on that evening the three of us played a game of charades, which eventually relieved the stress of her being there.  It was my turn.  I jumped up, grabbed her, got her in a head lock and gave her a few kidney jabs.  Right in the middle of my clues, my wife interrupted and asked “What are you doing?”  I replied, “It Was The Day I Beat Up Your Mother.” “Evidently, you've never heard of it.  It was one of those low budget movies from the 1930’s.”  While we were visiting her in the hospital, the doctor turned to us and said “I’m afraid this patient is critical.” Then I said, “We already know that.  What else is wrong with her?”  In the end, I couldn’t believe that my in laws actually took sides when our marriage ended.  I mean, they visit her nearly every day and haven't dropped in to see me once, and they drove right by my prison on the way to her cemetery.
Parent - - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 02-17-2015 17:38
That is why I never really tried to get into that field. I spent a tour in the Marines and the games we played and the "Green Weannie" we received taught me that I was not good at game playing.

If you pass a test then you pass a test, should be a shoe in and type, year, color of your truck, how you dress etc., should not matter. You will be working in a ditch as long as you are wearing the proper work attire what difference does it make. Vehicle? Two questions, can it get you to the job site? Can it get you back to the hotel then back to jobsite consecutively. Machine? Two questions, can it weld all day long? Is it consistent?

I'll stick to my small time stuff. Hot taps, service connections and itty bitty "pipelines".
Parent - - By Superflux (****) Date 02-18-2015 22:26
C'mon Tommy.
There's always the alternative and just suk a mile of ....
Parent - - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 02-23-2015 01:03 Edited 02-23-2015 10:32
gibberish deleted

Your right 46
Parent - By 46.00 (****) Date 02-23-2015 10:11
You take life to seriously, we are only here for a while, welding is a way of paying the bills!
Parent - - By Superflux (****) Date 02-23-2015 20:55
I am serious TOO you know...
Parent - - By Superflux (****) Date 02-23-2015 20:59
My Philosophy 101 course as I condensed it.
If you lower your standards low enough, you'll never be disappointed in life.
Parent - - By welderbrent (*****) Date 02-24-2015 01:08
Yes, but it's easy to be humble if you raise your standard high enough you can never achieve perfection even by your own standards.

BB
Parent - - By SCOTTN (***) Date 02-24-2015 12:25 Edited 02-24-2015 15:24
The thing about being humble is that some people measure themselves with external accomplishments like wealth, social status, even vanity; and others use internal ones; such as honesty, sincerity, simplicity, humility and generosity.  As for myself, I use a ruler with the first four inches cut off.

All the talk about philosophy reminded me about my high school philosophy teacher, who asked our class, “Who here thinks they know what the meaning of life is?” I replied, “Well, it’s the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.” Then she moved me to biology class.  The thing about philosophy that stands out the most to me is that for thousands of years, rather than philosophers sitting around discussing the meaning of life, maybe they should have been in deep thought about not having a real job.  Just the other night I was at the bar and into a really deep conversation about life and death.  After several hours we reached the conclusion that one is good and the other one is bad, though, I can’t for the life of me remember which is which.  All I know is that if my life were an aircraft flight, they’d still be searching for the black box.  If you ask me, life is a carwash; and I'm on a bicycle.  I remember some very sound advice that my father once gave me.  He said “If you keep running away from the things you're bad at, you'll never be good at anything.” ...except running.  Since then, I've discovered the secret of life…. Breathing.  Especially when you’re running.  I was running one day and a man bumped into me.  He didn’t even say excuse me, so I stopped, turned, and said “Excuse me.” Then he asked “Why can't we all just get along?” I pointed out that his question was rhetorical, and then he punched me in the face, repeatedly.  On top of that, my girlfriend just left me because of all the philosophical theories I believe.  Like I care.  She doesn't exist anyway.  I don’t know about any of you, but I’m very sentimental, and any time that I split up from a woman, I'll always have my memories.  And by memories I mean lots of naked photographs of them.  That being said, one of the meanings of modern philosophy is “the free of sin are those that give their phone to their partner without erasing anything”.  You know, someone once said “A woman is like a good pair of underpants, supporting you and giving you freedom in equal measure.” I'd have to say that a woman is more like a pair of Speedos.  Always clinging to you and embarrassing you in public.  The one thing that we all need to remember is that when a woman says “WHAT?” it doesn't mean that she didn’t hear you.  It means that she's giving you a chance to correct yourself, and it’s always important to do so within the five second grace period.  That “WHAT?” question has always struck a nerve with me.  Kind of like when people ask me if I'm working hard or hardly working.  I just want to stab them with my pen and then ask them if their hurting hard or hardly hurting.
Parent - - By ssbn727 (*****) Date 02-24-2015 19:41
Now that's what I call "Not taking life too seriously!" And as you always do Scott, you made me laugh and for someone to be able to do so is a rarity these days...:lol::lol::grin: Thank you for helping me every time you post one of your awesome monologues because I need to laugh more, and your posts are certainly and reliably helping me experience a moment or two of humor and joy that is unique and brilliant in it's very own way - thanks SCOTTN!!! :lol::yell::lol::yell::lol::yell::twisted::yell::lol::grin::smile::wink::cool:

Respectfully,
Henry
Parent - - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 03-05-2015 06:22 Edited 03-05-2015 06:39
Wow impressive how the topic moved such.   I deleted my post just because or the maybe miss- intentional insult.  I make my living and base everything ,y family can enjoy and accomplish from the decisions made in the field which cost me and my family hard earned money to drive out and live in a hotel to take these tests......yet welding is just a way to make a living .......and I take it to seriously.  Well 46  anything that involves my family's well being I ASSURE YOU.....I take very GOD@@@@M seriously.  I have passed pretty much every code in a lab test you can name and far as quality of weld deposit......well name a damm test I have not passed 5 times much less 20.  Am I the best welder out there?, nope I am far from it, I think I can learn more though.  I have worked with guys that make me want to just lay it down and quit cause there stuff is so pretty...I can learn something new from these folks and get better.

I take my skills seriously, I have been practicing them for 25 years,   I am pretty fooking good at them as well but yet I am a master of few because I have been a student and teaching myself machining, fabricating, smaw, gtaw, fcaw, and every fooking other disipline with welding that I have had the opportunity to be exposed to as well as having the balls to get laid off from a job and take what little we had....every ****ing dime and stick my neck out as a business man to make a living for my my family based entirely on my skill set.  So any other of you ****sticks working a jobshop thing and think your god just have a poke at me.  Maybe I will get pissed off enough to enlighten you clearly on the trade you stumbled into.

THAT IS NOT what the oilfield and /energy contractors want...well no it really is what the want but the folks in charge of you getting a job as a welder just want you to be seamless, fit in, and shut up and ACT like everyone else.   They cannot deal with anything less/ different.  AND THEY WON'T!!!!! The same thing is proven, its reliable...it will work.  It is totally based on looks, not ability but that is how its done.  That is how I got started and dealt with, you will do the same as I did.
Parent - - By SCOTTN (***) Date 03-05-2015 17:56
If things are totally based on looks, then why am I not a Calvin Klein underwear model?
Parent - - By Superflux (****) Date 03-05-2015 18:28
SCOTTN,
Maybe post some samples of your last Fruit of the Loom photo shoot in here and we'll provide some helpful comments to upgrade you to C/K...
Parent - By SCOTTN (***) Date 03-05-2015 18:43
I only have one pair of Fruit of the Loom.  I hide my money in them.  I keep them turned inside out and on the living room floor next to the sofa.  No one would ever think to look on the other side of the skid mark.
Parent - - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 03-21-2015 02:21
Look here Vlad you want to see those pics but I don't...do your weird stuff in private ok./???
Parent - - By SCOTTN (***) Date 03-21-2015 13:16
You want to talk weird? What’s weird to me is how all the women think my name is “No”.  Every time I start walking towards a woman, before I can say anything, they always say “No”.  As I get closer, they keep repeating my name, then they succumb to my charm and they always take out a little can of breath spray to freshen up in preparation for the inevitable, but for some reason it always ends up in my eyes.  That stuff burns like crazy.  When I’m finally able to open my eyes, they’re gone.
Parent - - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 03-23-2015 00:27
Oh Scott please let this thread die...I already got ugly on it and the point I am making is moot to all but a few types.   However you made me smile after 4 days of 14 hour days with 3 hrs worth of drive.
Parent - - By ibeweldingsum (***) Date 03-30-2015 19:25
tommy and scotty settin in a tree w-e-l-d-i-n-g!!! :twisted:
Parent - - By SCOTTN (***) Date 03-31-2015 11:57
I was in the process of honoring Tommyjoking’s request to let this thread die, but you couldn’t let it go.  So unfortunately, the post continues and I apologize to Tommyjoking in advance.  I don’t know what you’ve heard about me but I would not sit in a tree with another man for any reason.  Contrary to popular belief, and let me make this perfectly clear, I am not some raging homo.  I’m not even bad tempered.  Though, I have been known to frequent a certain tree in my neighborhood.  Please allow me to elaborate.  My wife and I were in town this past weekend and I noticed a very attractive woman who kept checking me out.  She finally couldn’t restrain herself, because let’s face it; I have that kind of effect on women.  She came over and said to my wife “Your husband reminds me of my cat.”  My wife didn’t even have to think about her response.  She immediately smiled and proudly said “Don't tell me, it’s because he’s smooth, sleek and loyal, right?” “No" she laughed, “It’s because they both like sitting in the tree outside my bedroom window.”  But seriously, your reference to “settin in a tree” reminded me of the one about Jack and Jill…. Jack and Jill, sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g.  First comes love, then comes marriage, then comes an abrupt and tragic miscarriage. Then comes blame, then comes despair, two hearts damaged beyond repair.  Jill leaves Jack and takes the tree, d-i-v-o-r-c-e.  Then there’s my personal favorite….. Me and a dyslexic sitting in a tree, k.i.f.d.r.v.p.
Parent - - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 04-01-2015 02:45
OMY....FG

Make no mistake there Matteeeeewwww I love Scott to death.   Dont be jealous...who is gay here?      ZScott just makes my day anytime he says something because he has the best since of humor of anyone i dare say i personally know.

You however are  problem for me cause you can outweld me.....I cannot keep up with you matt but I am trying!  You will laugh when you here of what I just turned down.
Parent - - By ibeweldingsum (***) Date 04-06-2015 04:07
Let me guess hmmmm.........:eek: A fat hooker face down??? :lol:
Parent - - By Tommyjoking (****) Date 04-07-2015 02:11
fAT HOOKERS Typically don't pay me 40 an hr and 15 for my truck and supply everything...However my wife might.
Parent - By SCOTTN (***) Date 04-07-2015 12:32
There’s another name for fat hookers.  It’s called “broke”.  A fat hooker approached me one night in a bar.  She said, “This is your lucky night. I've got a special game for you. I'll do absolutely anything you want for $40, as long as you can say it in three words.” Feeling a bit sorry for her, I took my wallet out of my pocket and spread out two ten dollar bills, three five dollar bills, four one dollar bills, two quarters, three dimes, a nickel, and fifteen pennies on the bar and slowly said to her, “Paint... My... House.”  Even though it was obvious that she hadn’t missed a meal, she really looked like she could use the money, so I decided to go for it. As I was reaching for my wallet, I remember her smiling and saying “Beauty is only skin deep, you know.” I thought, I realize that, but I’m not sure how thick your hide is.  She told me that she’d tried to get in shape but she had to stop jogging.  I didn’t ask her why.  I just imagined how hard it would be for her to run and to keep stuff from falling off her sandwich at the same time.
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