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- - By Tyrone (***) Date 06-07-2018 14:38
Hey guys,
Trying to get spray transfer using:

GMAW
0.045"
ER70S-6
C2 gas
29V
270A
350 WFS
carbon steel base metal

Intermittent sputtering half way through the weld.
Tried it on C15 & C10 with no issues.

Has anyone else successfully welded using this setup and process?

Tyrone
Parent - By Lawrence (*****) Date 06-07-2018 18:43
Hey Tyrone,

C2 works well for austinetic stainless GMAWP in my experience, but I've got to admit I've never tried it with carbon steel and straight CV.

I would think the C10 would allow much lower voltage and increase quality over any mill scale and reduce opportunities for undercut.

May I ask why you are considering this gas mix for carbon steel?
Parent - By PhilThomas (**) Date 06-08-2018 02:28
Try 98 Ar/2 O2
- - By 803056 (*****) Date 06-08-2018 00:27
Hello, my name is stupid;

What is C2, C10, C15, etc?
Parent - By kcd616 (***) Date 06-08-2018 01:10
Hello stupid
my name is moron:wink::eek:
I have never heard of C2, C10 C15 etc?
fill us in
sincerely,
Kent
Parent - - By jwright650 (*****) Date 06-08-2018 11:05
98/2, 90/10, and 85/15...
similar to C25 or 75/25 but with more argon...:grin:
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 06-08-2018 12:29
So, we're talking about:

SG-AC 2%

SG-AC 10%

SG-AC 25%

Now I get it. There's an AWS standard for specifying shielding gases. I'm so easily confused!

Al:eek:
Parent - - By jwright650 (*****) Date 06-08-2018 14:35
Official AWS nomenclature vs trade names...the battle continues.
Parent - - By 803056 (*****) Date 06-08-2018 15:07
As does the confusion for the less educated like me.

District conference for District 1 this weekend. I have to get a move on. Its a pretty good drive.

Al
Parent - By jwright650 (*****) Date 06-08-2018 15:23
Have a safe trip! :cool:
Parent - By welderbrent (*****) Date 06-08-2018 18:16
He's LESS educated???  Hate to think where that leaves me?  Answer: In Big Trouble. 

Ar/CO2 90/10 works best for most of my applications though 95/5 isn't too bad.  Above that, switch to Oxygen but that needs really clean prep to run good.  Truly sweet when all is good in the welding world though. 

He Is In Control, Have a Great Day, and a safe trip for you Al, 

Brent
- - By 803056 (*****) Date 06-09-2018 10:57
When I have a client stumbling and complaining about their GMAW and can't getting a good spray transfer I defer to my standby
SG-AC-2%. That usually gives you a nice spray transfer if the machine has the capacity. Then I switch to the gas they want to use to see if the issue is gas related or their machine simply can't provide the necessary voltage and amperage. It is easier to show them the difference than to explain the difference between the gases.

Al
Parent - - By Tyrone (***) Date 06-11-2018 12:38
Hey all,
Thanks for the responses.

Lawrence,
Yes C10 was much better.  I am playing around with different mixes to find an optimal process.  Even though no one recommends C2, I wanted to see what it would produce.

Phil,
Yes I tried 98 Ar/2 O2 (SG-AO 2%).  It wetted out nicely.

Al,
So you have no problems welding with SG-AC-2% ?

Tyrone
Parent - - By Lawrence (*****) Date 06-11-2018 13:12
Hi Tyrone

For structural steel, especially for heavy sections with greater mill scale, I prefer Argon/Co2 mixes.

Here is a pic from some trials I did comparing AR/Oxy to At/Co2 a few years ago.

Our friends in Europe go even further and quite regularly use a mix of 20/80 At/C02 for GMAWP on structural steel.

The At/0xy blends produce what is usually described as a "finger shaped" penetration profile, which is less forgiving of an operator making slight gun angle changes.   Ar/Oxy can however produce spray transfer at significantly lower voltages, which on clean steel can be a benefit on automated production lines if fit-up is kept perfect.

I like very much the equally deep but rounder profile produced by the Argon/Co2 mixes for carbon steel GMAW or GMAWP.
Parent - By Tyrone (***) Date 06-11-2018 17:04
Thanks Lawrence,
Since I cannot guarantee neither cleanliness nor fit-up, I think CO2 is the way to go.  I agree with the rounder penetration pattern vs the deep finger.

Still have a few more gases and wire to play with.

Tyrone
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