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Parent - - By tighand430 (***) Date 03-11-2009 00:15
Ask around to see how many like their 03-05 6.0 liters and you'll see why.
Parent - - By Marsh Welding (**) Date 03-11-2009 02:53
Ive had more dodge trucks with cummins diesels than i can even count. tried one super duty with a 7.3 had bad luck. went back to dodge. just traded my car for another truck. 06 ford with a 6.0. worst truck ever! i hope it burns up or gets stolen. only way to get rid of it. but id never trade it for a toyota.
Parent - - By 63 Max (***) Date 03-11-2009 03:33
Toyota will have a 1-ton diesel out in 2011 or 2012. I need to remember where I seen that report and post it for everyone to see if they wish. As for the big 3. I know alot of you will not like this but my Dad retired from one of them and he feels the same way. They started alot of the trouble they have and the US has now. Back in the late 70's early 80's they made and I do mean made alot of their suppliers move overseas to get parts cheaper. United Tech had 110 plants in the US back then and as of 1995 they had 10 left in the US. Since my Dad retired I dont know if they even have a plant in the US anymore. The big 3 knew they were going to be in trouble but wouldn't do anything about it. I personally dont want to buy a Toyota 1-ton because I like my Dodges and I'm not a Ford fan so I will wait and see what happens.  The Dodge trucks I've bought in the last 15 years were all built either in Canada or Mexico so what makes the differents.
Parent - - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 03-11-2009 14:45
Here's a link for the SEMA show that had the Toyota concept dually. The thing I liked is the fact that they had sense to use an inline 6 diesel. If Dodge/Chevy folded maybe that would free up the Cummins for Ford so they could finally put a good engine in a good truck(minus the rotten engines they have used).

Link:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/sema/2007/toyotatundradieselduallyprojecttruck.html#toyotaduallyint500

As far as parts go I'd say the market would open up to aftermarket stuff pretty quickly. Engine parts can be had for the Cummins from a Cummins dealer, as I would suspect Isuzu engine parts for the Chevy, much harder to find an Isuzu dealer I would imagine. Did wheel bearings/seals on my rear axle and all the parts house's had them on the shelf as well as ball joints. I rarely buy anything at the dealer.
Parent - By chris2698 (****) Date 03-11-2009 19:29
that thing looks pretty nice, I've always like toyota they build some good stuff. I don't know how many times I've heard of people having there fords crap out on them and it seems to be around a 2001-2007 trucks that had such bad problems. I know someone who has I think it's like 95 or 96 and as far as I know she has had no problems and it is a Ford F-250 4x4. I deffinatly wouldn't buy a ford truck and don't care for the look of a chevy. Rather it be Dodge but sure would like to see this toyota up close
Parent - By rick harnish (***) Date 03-19-2009 04:11
Excellent post. Would love to see the day. Hell, I would go further in debt to own one.
Parent - By mastermetal (*) Date 03-15-2009 15:02
I did structrual work in 2 GM plants in southern CA in the late 80's, -union-. Did a ton of piping and struc in lockeed plants Ca, -union-. AT-T facility, -union-. Cal Can dog food plant, -union- Anhesuer Busch 3 plants across the nation, -union-. What do they all have in common, lazy, complaning, you owe me something worthless, way over payed workers. Fork lift driver at AB plant drops a pallet of cans, spills all over the floor ties up production. Will he get off and help clean up, hell no. It's in his contract that he just drives fork lift. GM plant, inbetween running one screw in the side of a car on the line (using phenumatic tool of course) lady has time to walk over and take 2 hits off a joint in the paint booth, walk back and run anouther screw. Thats all she did day in day out. And made more money then anybody on our crew, all experianced skilled tradesmen. I could tell you story after story like this. Not to be mean but some of the workers in this country are getting whats coming to them. Unfortantly the back lash is going to take down some good people with it. And those same lazy ass, you owe me something group had children and passed there attidude of on them.
Parent - - By Billyjoe (***) Date 03-19-2009 02:36
I like a ford ,
Parent - By rick harnish (***) Date 03-19-2009 04:07
yep...Cummins and Duramax are impressive motors, but the Ford is simply a better built truck.
Parent - - By RonG (****) Date 03-11-2009 03:44
I am a fan of the Dodge trucks but can't justify the price. By that I mean it would be like buying it just to haul my groceries home.

They have come along ways from back when my Father in law used to drive one, Kidney busting Son of a gun they were but built to work.

My neighbor has one that gives him problems at times and boy does it cost an arm and a leg to get it fixed.

My old Chevy trucks got a little over 200,000 but as long as the computer holds out I can and have fixed every thing on it my self.
Parent - - By dfwpipeliner (**) Date 03-11-2009 20:11
BUY American, SUPPORT America!!!

BUY Japanese, SUPPORT Japan!!!

Do what you like, but this is why so much industry has gone overseas.  If the largest economy in the world supported its own, we wouldn't have lost so much.  And yes Nissan and Toyota do have large factories here, but only because they now have the market share due to people not buying American vehicles.  And regardless of where these vehicles are built, every dime of profit goes back to JAPAN!!!

It's also true that the Japanese run their companies much better than their American competitors.  But with the union's strong arming Detroit, what do we expect. Nobody should be expected to work for unsatisfactory earnings, but at the same time, no company should have to bend over backwards to put a package together to stop its workforce from striking, etc.  When it does, you get left with the mess we now have in Detroit.
Parent - - By scrappywelds (***) Date 03-11-2009 21:18
As far as the buy japanese, support japan I don't know if that is true. I say that because every part of a Toyota is made and assembled in the USA. I had an early 90's Tacoma pick-up that had a sticker that the steel was from the United Steelworker's union. Now I will admitt that I don't know ifit still is union steel or not. Not to mention anybody that will work hard and be at work everyday can go work at Toyota, if you can pass the background and test part of it. You can't do that at any of the BIG 3.
Parent - By RioCampo (***) Date 03-12-2009 01:12
The only thng that would be nice about that toyota would be the tire life with those 22.5's. I bet the ride would be like riding in a buckboard wagon. An 8 liter engine, cummins makes an 8.3ltr, we could kiss that 15 plus mpg goodbye. So much for weaning our dependence on foreign oil, or anything else for that matter.
Parent - By FixaLinc (****) Date 03-12-2009 01:11
That is happening because the Big 3 left in the US have done nothing but prove over and over again and again they can do nothing but mismanage and overprice a product with less quality and had to ask for more bailouts because they just can't manage anything.  Build a quality product with real support at a real price and people will buy it. 
Parent - By Jssec (**) Date 03-12-2009 03:58
You can find bad with them all 03-6.0 145000 1 hpop the guy that repaired it in Morrilton Arkansas had more Dodges in his lot that other brands combined, 02 7.3 160000 one alternator, 96 7.3 157000.
Parent - By CHGuilford (****) Date 03-11-2009 21:42
Don't go there Joe.  It might get ugly.

 

(Actually, I have no brand loyalty for vehicles - if they start, stop, and steer where I want and when I want, it's a good one)
Parent - By Wrench Tech (**) Date 03-16-2009 02:33
Nothing!
Parent - - By jp2welder (**) Date 03-12-2009 02:30
I'm guessing what we're going to start seeing are more truck manufacturer's selling their work trucks as work trucks.

Right now, the auto manufacturers are marketing these $30k-$40k Super Duty class trucks to the guy who drives his truck to the office. They build too many of them because they don't want to miss out on the sale of them, then they are left with too many that they have to take a bath on (does $10,000 off MSRP sound familiar?).

I'm sure you'll still be able to get a work truck, but it won't come with CD/DVD-DVD, plush toosh options, 4-door, 4x4, turbo charged diesel, and chrome wheels. It will likely be a chassis cab with an AM/FM radio, a manual transmission, and a heater.
Parent - - By Jssec (**) Date 03-12-2009 04:03
I agree never could understand why anyone would spend 40K -60K for a truck run it out into a mud hole and at the end of the week it looked like one that had been on the job for a year inside and out.
Parent - - By chris2698 (****) Date 03-12-2009 10:19
I agree why the hell power windows leather seats all this stuff hell it's a dam work truck not a BMW it's gonna get trashed plus cloth seats are warmer anyway I find
Parent - - By slagline 3 (**) Date 03-12-2009 17:07
Another view point is , that if you spend most of your adult life in one on the road working it, chasing jobs and the like. You will want all those "Creature Comforts" and more.
You have worked really hard to afford that truck....Why not enjoy it and live life to the fullest..just saying.
Parent - - By Cactusthewelder (*****) Date 03-12-2009 17:15
VERY WELL SAID !! I couldn't agree more. If your gonna be a Bear.  Be a Grizzly   My Truck has every bell and whistle I could find Including Internet and a laptop. Most of the time it is My home, My office and everything in between
Parent - By chris2698 (****) Date 03-12-2009 19:54
very true, can you still get roll up windows? I always hated the electric windows and that is the one thing I don't want buying a new car is electric they always gave me problems, one of my cars I drive to work has hand cranks I love em they never break
Parent - - By J Hall (***) Date 03-13-2009 03:20
There you go! I agrre with Cactus.
I used to have a truck with no air, tin headliner, vinyl seat, etc.
if you guys want to work from a tin can with a milk crate for a seat, that is up to you, but I'll take the A/C, CD captains chairs:)
Parent - - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 03-14-2009 13:41
I agree. With the miles we drive it's nice to have cloth seats, power windows in case I have to roll down the passenger side or if it's one of those nice spring days and such where you don't need a/c. Cruise control, a must in my book. The last people I worked for had an F550 bare bones. I can't remember how many times I drove 150 miles one way to work on a machine and wishing I had cruise control. I've logged 400 miles in a 10 hour day and fixed machines in between and that concrete bench seat was miserable. When I left it was pushing 60k on the ticker and the seat was as hard as the day I climbed in it with 5000 miles on it.

Everytime I got in my Dodge my butt cheered for joy!! Broke down basic work trucks may be ok for local only work but out chasin like you guys do, creature comforts are a must in my opinion.
Parent - - By DaveBoyer (*****) Date 03-15-2009 06:49
     I would like to hear what they use in countries other than North America for rig trucks? Do they have rig welders as We know them, or is everyone working single hand with company supplied equipment?

     The Asian companies do make some trucks that We never see in the US, some of those are interesting too. I have seen them in other countries, but I guess thy don't comply with US emission & safety laws.
Parent - By Cumminsguy71 (*****) Date 03-15-2009 14:28
When I was in Japan(almost three years) I don't recall seeing anything like what we call "rigs" over there. It was back in the early 90's and I can't say it was something that I was actually watching out for either. All of the trucks I've seen over there were Hino, Mitsubishi-Fuso and things like that. All snub nose trucks. My wife was checking out welding helmets on yahoo Japan and even those don't look anything like what we are used to.
Parent - - By mody454 (**) Date 03-15-2009 23:47
i was at toyota delership couple weeks ago  they are going to have a diesel dually next year  and cat is going to be the powersource
Parent - By rick harnish (***) Date 03-16-2009 00:55
Cat IS the power source! Thats what I had been led to believe.
There ya go, Cactus! Get your order in!
Parent - By Oregon Jake (**) Date 03-18-2009 03:41
My dad was at a Toyota dealership here in Oregon today and asked about the diesel truck.  The employees confirmed they had heard the rumor for next year, but had no details.
Parent - - By Metarinka (****) Date 03-16-2009 05:35
I was under the impression that most likely in the event of bankruptcy the cleaners would come in and profitable divisions would be bought out by competitors or spun off into independents. I would be surprised if all divisions of GM And chevy dissapeared. If there is a demand (and trucks are some of the most profitable divisions) then there will be a product.

Does any globe trotter know what they use in the rest of the world? because American pick up trucks sell very poorly over seas and most aren't exported. I'm curious as to what welders use for rigs in say eastern europe, or the middle east?

Here's top gear's review of the F-150 http://videos.streetfire.net/video/057-Top-Gear-Ford-F150_183157.htm
Parent - By chris2698 (****) Date 03-16-2009 06:07
Metarinka I like that video it's true why the hell would they buy a truck over there especially when gas I hear is like 10 bucks a gallon or something crazy
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