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- - By TB48 (*) Date 08-04-2014 13:16
We are Working to the D1.1 2010 version. On our WPS for 3G is shows stringer instead of weave. I have noticed some of our guys doing a weave instead of a stringer. I don't find anything in the code that shows that we can't weave on vertical up. Except for being an essential variable for CVN testing applications. Have I missed something?

Thank you.
Parent - - By welderbrent (*****) Date 08-04-2014 13:47
Part of the problem comes with 'DEFINING' weave and/or stringer.  How much of a slight side to side motion is allowable within a prescribed definition of stringer?  Does a stringer mean you can't have the least amount of sideways motion?  Good luck.

Now, you are correct, there is nothing prohibiting weave patterns within D1.1.  The issue with it for CVN's have to do with heat input as when you are travelling slower you are putting more heat into one area and it effects several properties including the CVN's. 

As this should be an in house issue with no requirements for PQR testing you should be able to easily write a new WPS that allows 'EITHER' on the line that says stringer/weave. 

There are applications where you would want it to be one or the other, but for a majority of structural work there is no issue with a weave pattern for vertical up welds.  You may need to tweek your volt and amp ranges a bit.

He Is In Control, Have a Great Day,  Brent
Parent - By TB48 (*) Date 08-04-2014 14:58
Thanks Brent
Parent - - By rjtinsp (*) Date 08-04-2014 15:44
If your dealing with pre-qualified procedure have a look at table 3.7.
Ramon
Parent - - By SCOTTN (***) Date 08-04-2014 18:30
The same issues that Brent alluded to with CVN's exist with Q & T steels as well.  Weave passes aren't recommended because of the slower travel speed and higher heat input.
Parent - By welderbrent (*****) Date 08-04-2014 23:08
Good point Scott,

When using steels such as WF A-913 Gr65 columns you don't use pre-heat and you want to keep that heat way down.  It is actually better to move from flange to flange and even end to end allowing the previous pass to cool before proceeding with the next pass.  If you run too large of a pass and/or too many passes one right after another you risk destruction of the chemical/physical properties of the Q & T material. 

He Is In Control, Have a Great Day,  Brent
Parent - - By pipewelder_1999 (****) Date 08-04-2014 20:04
For PWPS- There is a limit to Maximum bead with for some processes (NOT SMAW)- See Table 3.7
For WPS qualified by Testing-Its not addressed as you see in the code unless impacts are required. The variable to be concerned with is heat input if it is addressed elsewhere on the WPS.

What says you cannot weave is the WPS, so essentially, the code does say you can't weave however it is easily remedied by revising the WPS.

Hope this helps.

Gerald
Parent - By TB48 (*) Date 08-05-2014 12:07
Thanks guys. This does help. We are welding A500 with FCAW.
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