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Topic Receiving "certifications" but not in AWS system. By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-28-2016 12:40
1) They let YOU know you can pass a test
2) The let someone else know you have previously passed a test to a certain code if documented.
3) It is something you can refer to on your resume.

The tests administered by an ATF are absolutely no different than those in a code. The difference may lie in the perceived validity of the test without the AWS backing.  That does not mean an ATF won't make mistakes or even violate the rules nor does it mean another organization WILL.

In my history, I have never been an AWS Certified Welder. However my resume has listed things such as

"Previously certified in accordance with (code of your choice) on (metals of choice) in the (positions) .

Other than getting in the boilermakers apprentice program, I have never shown past records of performance qualification to a potential employer. Show up with a hood, tools, skills. Use papers to start a conversation but when the potential for employment is hinged upon a piece of paper, reinforce your desire to show your skills.

There is NO WAY that a test performed by an organization other than an ATF can be used to represent a test in compliance with the AWS Standard for Certified welders.

EDIT: But that doesn't mean it is any less valid. I work at an ATF currently and we have tested more people NOT needing the "AWS Certified Welder" and just needed testing per code. I strongly suggest never resting your hopes on papers, just the ability to get em when you need em!
Topic New Forum By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-28-2016 00:25
This one is much easier to use. The lack of different categories is making it hard to follow.
Topic Spam Posts By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-23-2016 12:02
Again, a reminder to those in charge. If AWS is too busy, I would be glad to delet spam posts on a regular basis.
Topic WPQR limitations on diameter and filler tensile strength. By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-18-2016 22:53
Though the welder follows a WPS when testing, when they are done annd passed, they may use ANY WPS provided the production weld does not require them to weld outside their range of qualification.

The welder qualifies to weld on a production joint. He uses a WPS when testing that meets the requirements for trhe test joint. When he does a production weld, the WPS must be qualified for the production conditions and he must be qualiifed for the production conditions. The welder may or may not be qualified to weld within all of t he limits of the WPS. In addition, the WPS may not be qualified to do all of the conditions the welder can.

Hope this helps.

Gerald Austin
Topic Simple Question about Welder Qualification By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-18-2016 19:51
I am assuming D1.1. There are specific joint details called for in D1.1 for performance qualification test plates and reference is made to using a WPS. The WPS should apply to the joint being welded. That is its purpose.

However, the WPS may be able to be revised depending upon the code requirements for joint dimensions.

Gerald
Topic Combine 2 test results for 1 PQR By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-18-2016 19:47
There is no allowance in D1.5 for using 2 plates. in which one has impacts and the other does not. The cost for bends and tensiles will be a small part compared to the impacts.

I don't have a 2008 D1.5 so I may be completely out of touch. I am still in the "studying" process in preparation for assisting a company with developing a D1.5 FCAW WPS. Plates coming in tomorrow.

Gerald
Topic Suggestions for Ammeters By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-18-2016 02:17
Thanks. I found a fluke 325 that looks like something I can do.

The only thing that is critical just getting as accurate I can and a stable reading. I figured inverters may be a bit noisy.

Thanks for the advice.

Gerald
Topic Suggestions for Ammeters By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-17-2016 20:35
I intend to purchase a DC Ammeter for recording variables related to heat input for some D1.5 PQR's.

For voltage I will be using a regular off the shelf multimeter and take readings at the tip or neck. For amperage I am good with checking at the along the gun or the lead at the wire feeder.

I am wondering what people are using. I am not ready to put down the $ for a fluke unless I have to. I have seen some others that are listed as true RMS Ammeters by other companies. Does anyone have any hands on experience with something in the sub $200.00 range on inverter power supplies ? If so, what models have worked.

I have also considered an inline Shunt/Meter before at the wire feeder/lead connection.

I welcome any thoughts.

Thanks

Gerald Austin
Topic Fillet weld inspection By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-17-2016 19:48
The throat should meet the size of that specified. So regardless of the leg size, the throat must be that of a 1/4" fillet weld. However you can only measure the throat only if the contour is concave.

If the weld is flat or convex on the face, the throat will meet that of the leg size. If the face is concave, the throat has no relationship to the leg size and thus a throat gauge is required.

In some countries and even with some companies here, fillet weld sizes are specified by the throat dimension required.

http://www.weldingdata.com/FilletWeldgage.htm may help but I am not sure. It is in the context of the question.

I think, if the throat meets that of a 1/4" and the contour is concave, the size is met.

Gerald
Topic Spam Posts By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-12-2016 10:37
I would be more than happy to assist with deleting Spam!
Topic Shielding Gas Manifold System Leaks By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-11-2016 16:18
Thus the reality of WELDED vs mechanical fittings.  Hmmm 10k per month, wonder how many months to pay for REAL piping? :)

Can you reduce your manifold pressure a bit to reduce your losses in the meantime or are you using flow control at the stations that requires the pressure you are running?

Gerald
Topic Welder Qualification, using B2.1 SWPS, to other Standards By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-10-2016 14:06
I agree. I think the system of testing welders should be a documented system and auditable.

I let students know that a certification is just a document that shows they had the ability to pass a test and that most companies worth working for will want you to test again and if they accept a prior record of certification and are not familar with the test, use extreme caution.

I let contractors know that end users/owners may or may nnoot acccept what is provided and to also know the difference between an "AWS certified Welder" and a Welder Certified in accordance with AWS XX.XX. And that the welder has displayed no different skills and is limited by the range of qualification allowed by the applicable code.

The wallet cards in my opinion are TRASH and I would never accept one. I want to see a signed WPQR with all of the data required by the code.

I think the term "certified" is the most abused in the industry.  I myself would love to incorporate video recording into testing but haven't figured out where the $ comes from.

Have a great day Larry.

Gerald
Topic Welder Qualification, using B2.1 SWPS, to other Standards By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-10-2016 11:07
Our quality system, the supporting WPQR, and AWS D1.1 allow for use of an SWPS. The applicability of an SWPS (or any other WPS) for production is at the discretion of the Engineer. For performance qualification the engineer has the right to accept or reject the qualifications on the basis of using an SWPS, but if he does, he has no sound engineering basis to do so provided all requirements of D1.1 were met during performance qualification. The WPS is NOT the WPQR.

As an ATF we recently ran into the need for this when a customer needed GTAW WPQ's quickly. (As to why GTAW is not prequalified but secret voodoo complicated spray/pulse/waveform controlled GMAW is, beats me)

When SWPS's are used, we will review the SWPS AND the code requirements with the welder. The applicable acceptance criteria is referred to on the WPQR both for visual and destructive tests.

The WPQR references the WPS but also references the code AWS D1.1. Thus a record with evidence as to what was done.

It is my understanding that SWP's are typically supported by multiple PQR's which are performed in accordance with various codes. 

"All SWPSs are supported by Procedure Qualification Records (PQRs) which meet the rules of AWS B2.1 and which in addition are intended to meet the rules of the major codes which govern the intended applications such as AWS Structural Codes (D1.1, D1.2, D1.3, etc.), AWS Sheet Metal Welding Code (D9.1),ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code, Section IX, NAVSEA Technical Publication......" Taken from http://www.aws.org/standards/page/standard-welding-procedure-specifications-swps

Though the ranges listed on the SWPS for joints may allow for joints outside the scope of a code, using one is not a violation of any kind per D1.1. If an SWPS is followed during performance qualification there is absolutely noting wrong with it provided the requirements of D1.1 are met.

If anyone is in a situation in which the WPS is the sole source for welding details, there are bigger problems. No drawings? No reference to code requirements? Just a welder with a piece of paper ?

There are two lines of thought in my mind when it comes to documents related to welding. 1) Make them specific to an individual joint with specific settings for the application, position, etc...  OR 2) Make them to meet the requirements of the code (which was reviewed by many industry "experts") and if supplementary information is needed, supply it to the welder OR just let him use the skill that he/she has to make sound welds. In cases where strict adherence to the OH SO CRITICAL amperage/voltage/travel speed/ waveform/solar flares is needed, supervise what the welder is doing and provide monitoring..

I usually qualify and test our procedures or prepare prequalified ones. It is my opinion that performing volumetric testing as required by D1.1 does nothing to establish the validity of the parameters used during a PQR so I try to stay away from that but do have  GMAW Short Circuit that has passed bends and tensile for Sec IX that I will probably do again for Volumetric testing and Mechanicals per D1.1. Just in case.

The above is just an opinion based upon my understanding so is very likely to have points worth discussing, correcting or clarifying. Its early so I haven't reached my quota of mistakes yet!

Hope everyone has a wonderful day.

Gerald Austin
Greeneville Tn
Topic thickness X 1.1 ASME IX By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-09-2016 23:40
Sorry but not sure the questions. But maybe its like a game of jeopardy.

GMAW Short Circuit Transfer is a process ....
Topic essential variable By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-09-2016 21:30
For D1.5, most of the variables for performance would be under para 5.24. Tak a look there.

Do understand that the electrode size on the D11.5 wps must be followed.
Topic Old Forum New Forum By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-07-2016 20:06
Sometimes, a little spam with good people is better than prime rib without em!
Topic Old Forum New Forum By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-07-2016 18:23
I think that is great news!

Thanks to all for the efforts put forth letting AWS know how important this is.

Have a great day

Gerald
Topic New AWS Member Network By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-05-2016 18:15
I received a response as well a little while ago.

We will just have to see what happens. It is definitely their sandbox (with a few toys freely contributed by both registered and non-registered sandbox users). I do think they are still discussing the issue but there is really nothing to lead me to believe this forum will stay intact as it is.

^^^^^^^
I was wrong
Topic New AWS Member Network By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-05-2016 15:06
Its great to go back and read old posts. Thise of members who are gone, those still here, and even my own. Hate to lose that!
Topic New AWS Member Network By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-05-2016 12:06
I sent one a few days back myself. No response though.

I am hoping this forum isn't locked. Surely the new one and the original one can "peacefully co-exist".

Gerald
Topic Kudos By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-02-2016 16:47
I appreciate your time on the phone earlier and look forward to working with you if it comes to that.
Topic Manual to semi automatic GTAW By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-01-2016 19:54
:grin:
Topic Manual to semi automatic GTAW By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-01-2016 17:57
What para. requires that?

QW-356 makes no distiction for the method used to add the filler metal and if its soomewhere else, boy have I messed up some papers.

Gerald
Topic Banned By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-01-2016 15:45
Pretty sure a backup of whichever database is on the backend and then working with it as opposed to the live data may be the way to eliminate that from happening in the future. Even if you have remote hosting, phpmyadmin may handle making a duplicate. I m sure there are more elegant ways but that is one that comes to mind quickly.

Would love to help with such a project but not really experienced in such things.
Topic About to start asme sect.IX B31.3 any tips By pipewelder_1999 Date 08-01-2016 00:04
If you are not working under the direction of someone experienced with the code I would strongly suggest you let whoever the party is you are working with know.

Not doing a job you may not be ready for is better than doing one. You do of course have to gain experience but understand that in some cases there isn't any easing into it. There is not much to learn on a forum in a short amount of time. If you don't have someone to get you up to speed, it could be a rocky road.

The key to a code being "easy" is understanding how it works. However going on a project may include the need to have an understanding very quickly.

There will project specifications and drawings that should let you know the piping categories however each individual piping specification may have requirements outside those of the referenced codes. B31.3 has piping categories that are usually specified by the owner/engineer. Each category will have its own requirements including amount of inspection and acceptance criteria. My 1st few days on a new project involve finding the project related documents and verifying that they are the latest versions applicable to the project.

The duties as a welding inspector can vary widely depending on who you are representing.

As someone who made some pretty significant mistakes in the past, my number one rule is "Know what you know, know what you don't know"

Have a great day and sorry there's not a cliff notes version of "Inspecting per B31.3" or a few youtube videos.  I suggest getting your hands on a code asap for study. Even if its an older version it will help. Using a code is not knowing the content but is knowing how to find it.

I still have difficulties with a new code and I have been in inspecting and reading codes since the late 80's. I have been wrapping my brain around D1.5 for 2 hours or so a day for the last 2 weeks and thats JUST for qualifying a procedure. Be careful as you go forward and take the time to get familar with the code.

Gerald Austin
Topic Activity 7 years ago vs now. By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-31-2016 02:08
I was looking through old posts just reading things I had written in the past and came across the topic related to the "Off Topic bar and Grill"

Its kinda interesting how many people expressed an opinion on this and commented versus the activity related to the current issues at hand. I wonder how the activity overall has changed since then.

https://app.aws.org/forum/topic_show.pl?pid=157343
Topic Kudos By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-30-2016 21:19
My wife and I spoke of that and when I was messaging Allens wife she mentioned a discussion they had recently about letting people know.
Topic Banned By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-30-2016 15:20
I just posted one with a link one I just setup just in case. Wonder what will happen there ?
Topic Just in Case- A Place to gather. By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-30-2016 15:11
I want to say 1st off that my preference is for this forum in its current state (with the exemption of useless spammers) is one of the greatest online assets in the welding community. Part of that is because of the long history of content entered by members of this community , some of which are no longer with us, and by the current participants.

Should this forum be stopped all of a sudden, I think many of us would lose contact with those people with opinions and knowledge we highly value. I really hope that doesn't happen and the leaders at AWS (Which I would think are the Members), would take into consideration the value of this forum for those in the welding community.

I sincerely hope that AWS will work this out with the following.

1) keep this forum AS- IS except for lack of spammer moderation.

2) Preserve all of the existing content of this forum for searching.

3) Create a "Member Only" forum for AWS members that helps AWS prosper in reaching whatever their goals are.

Gerald Austin
Topic Kudos By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-30-2016 13:51
Here is abut 10 minutes of "setup" time.  If a group decided they wanted to get another forum going, I would be glad to help however I think since this forum is still working, and nothing has actually "happened" yet it may not be needed.

The site name is one I already had and other are still available. Understand I am by no means an expert in online forums etc.. but have quite a few years as a hack with websites. But my services are here.

http://weldertraining.org/forum/
Topic Kudos By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-30-2016 13:39
I would be glad to get a domain purchased (Only Costs about $25.00 a year).

This software is free and hosting can be done for <$30.00 per month.

Many others exist, when I get done with this message I will make one up real quick.
Topic CWI test results By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-29-2016 21:10
Congratulations
Topic To know about FCAW By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-29-2016 11:43
There are no "Study materials" for certification that are as valuable as instructor led guidance during hands on practice.

You very well may see some great videos etc...  You need an understanding of the process, the variables and how they affect welding, and MOST OF ALL, some welding time under supervision of an instructor that cann reinforce the theoretical topics related to the process.

The above is just an opinion of one man, so treat it as such.
Topic Weld MP35N to 15-5PH Possible? By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-29-2016 01:46
NiCrFe-3 has been my friend many times on "just gotta stick together" as has NiCrMo-3/4
Topic Heat Input Qualifications D1.5 2015 clarification By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-28-2016 12:23
I interpret the average to be calculated without the values for the root and cap passes because of the statement ..." The average heat input for the test shall be calculated using the calculated heat input value for all passes exempting the root and cap passes...."

I can however  say this code has been an adventure to get to know in the past few weeks.
Topic Getting to know each other, another member passed By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-28-2016 02:55
The link above will show you all of the posts made under his username.
Topic You killed it anyhow By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-27-2016 22:01
Thanks
Topic Getting to know each other, another member passed By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-27-2016 15:49
Posted it on the General Weldinng section
Topic A forum Member gone-Aevald By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-27-2016 15:49
I have been wondering about Allan Evald as he was one of a few active member on a LinkedIn instructors group yet I hadn't seen any posts or responses too messages I sent.

I am terribly saddened to report that it looks like he has passed away. I questioned the other instructor by email and received confirmation

"Allan did pass on July 14 @ 12:45pm.
There will be a Celebration of Life on Aug. 6 @1pm here at LCC.
He was a super guy, good friend and wonderful working partner.
He will be missed everywhere."

In my journey to become a better teacher, he was instrumental in providing some guidance along the way. An extremely sharing person. I really wish I would have been able to meet him face to face. It hit me a bit harder than I thought it would just being an "online" acquaintance.

If you get a chance to meet someone whom you know from the forum, I suggest taking the time to do it. I know I have met a couple and am thankful.

Maybe take a few minutes and look through some of the posts of a great man in the area of sharing welding information.
[url=]
https://app.aws.org/forum/forum_search.pl?words=&user=aevald&board=0&field=body&min=&max=&order=desc%5b/url%5d

I am thankful to Our Lord for all of the blessings I have. One of them being the what I get from the people never seen.
 
Gerald

EDIT: From Allans Wife

"Any comments that people would want to share can be sent to me by email or on the Caringbridge.org website and I will share it with our children"

The caringbridge website is https://www.caringbridge.org/public/allanevald
Topic Getting to know each other, another member passed By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-27-2016 14:57
I have been wondering about Allan Evald as he was one of a few active member on a LinkedIn instructors group yet I hadn't seen any posts or responses too messages I sent.

I am terribly saddened to report that it looks like he has passed away. I questioned the other instructor by email and received confirmation

"Allan did pass on July 14 @ 12:45pm.
There will be a Celebration of Life on Aug. 6 @1pm here at LCC.
He was a super guy, good friend and wonderful working partner.
He will be missed everywhere."

In my journey to become a better teacher, he was instrumental in providing some guidance along the way. An extremely sharing person. I really wish I would have been able to meet him face to face. It hit me a bit harder than I thought it would just being an "online" acquaintance.

If you get a chance to meet someone whom you know from the forum, I suggest taking the time to do it. I know I have met a couple and am thankful.

Maybe take a few minutes and look through some of the posts of a great man in the area of sharing welding information.
[url=]
https://app.aws.org/forum/forum_search.pl?words=&user=aevald&board=0&field=body&min=&max=&order=desc%5b/url%5d

I am thankful to Our Lord for all of the blessings I have. One of them being the what I get from the people never seen
EDIT: From Allans Wife

"Any comments that people would want to share can be sent to me by email or on the Caringbridge.org website and I will share it with our children"

The caringbridge website is https://www.caringbridge.org/public/allanevald
 
Gerald
Topic Weld MP35N to 15-5PH Possible? By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-26-2016 15:50
What is the intended application? Sticking together and suitable foor service are widely different ranges. The materials you mention have vastly different mechanical properties that require consideration during design annd engineering of a product.

Pieces joined together that are dis-similar may lose some of the properties in the WM or HAZ.  Both are weldable alloys and your best bet would to perform testing using filler metals suggested by the manufacturer. If none are suggested for the bimetallic weld, try one with each of the filler metals suggested for each base metal.

This would probably be best answered by someone familar with the application and service conditions. If you are making some Yard art, you have a great deal of fllexability, if you are making surgical implants or aerospace equipment,  its an entirely different story and in need of some actual research and testing that is far beyond the scope of online forums.

Consulting an actual metallurgist would be a great place to start however there very well may be some here that are familar with this material.  (More the Nickel Cobalt than the PH Stainless). In addition, you failed to mention the condition in which the 15-5 ph is supplied which would propably be of interest to someone smarter than I that ccould give you some real help.

Old welders like me,,, i just start with RN-82 if anything seems odd :)

Hopefuully you will find some help and welcome to the forum.

I'd like too ask, What brings you here? How did you hear about this forum? I would imagine working with those materials, you would be looking in quite a few places.

Have a great day and good luck. I'm looking forward to some responses that help you out. Tell us more about the product though.

Gerald Austin
Topic Welding Forums (Cross Posted) By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-26-2016 12:10
Just tried, It let me. I noticed that there are onlyy 38 members now so something happened.
Topic Welding Forums (Cross Posted) By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-26-2016 12:08
Hmmmm. I was able to comment but it was only on mine.
Topic Welding Forums (Cross Posted) By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-25-2016 14:44
Works on my phone. No posts exist but prior blog entries are visible and can be commented on.
Topic Forum User Email Addresses POST HERE !! By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-25-2016 11:12
Here is mine
Attachment: contact.jpg - Contact info (48k)
Topic what this forum is about By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-24-2016 03:19
So many Great posts by so many people passionate about sharing and gaining knowledge! Those and the others mentioned along with many of current company are exceptional in my book.
Topic WPS and Base Metals By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-24-2016 02:31
Does QW-403.5(b) apply to the welding you will be doing. Is it listed as a "supplementary essential" variable for your process in the code? If yes, do supplementary essential variables apply to the qualification of your procedure?

If QW-403.5(b)is listed as an "essential variable" then it applies always.

Though I could have answered your question more directly, looking at it like this may help.
Topic Certified Welding Engineer By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-24-2016 02:22
You may be able to search the post for CWENG or click this link to see posts with that in the text.

https://app.aws.org/forum/forum_search.pl?words=Cweng&user=&board=0&field=body&min=&max=&order=desc

Of course the info from AWS is a resource that you may already be aware of but here it is again. http://www.aws.org/certification/detail/certified-welding-engineer

Have a great day. Wish I could help you with my experience but engineer I am not. Wish I was sometimes but cant think of 4 years of welding experience I would have traded for it yet.

Welcome to the best welding forum in the world...while it lasts!

Gerald
Topic Welding Forums (Cross Posted) By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-24-2016 02:13
I think ANYTHING that does away with this forum is a considerable loss to the welding community .  Sure a new AWS Forum with some ACTUAL support from AWS and a few neat and shiny ads in the WJ may very well get some membership up for the new forum but it is my opinion it will take years to get the content up to that contained in this forum. Individuals that are currently online  increasing their knowledge using various resources do so because thats what they like to do.

This original forum works fine as is except for a lack of moderation. The entire source code is open source. A few programmers experience with scripting languages and databases could easily "upgrade" this forum to include some security to minimize spam.

My desire is for AWS to continue with their new forum but keep the "original" and keep the content not only available for everyone, but allowed to continue and grow.

The new forum would be a great resource to get in touch with the ever more difficult to reach AWS Staff. Maybe get a code interpretation done in a manner that is a little more modern, Maybe even have online committee meetings that include individuals other that the often "corporate sponsored" participants. MAYBE EVEN EVERY MEMEBER could vote on committee topics and the results be shown in REAL time.   It would make a great tool for open discussions regarding committee topics, AWS Membership Issues, and other programs offered by AWS.

AWS is about money. But of course I don't work for free either yet anyone that posts content useful to "MEMBERS ONLY" will be working for free.

Welding has been a lifelong experience for me and I get a great deal of enjoyment both expanding my knowledge and helping others.

Many years ago I was trying to make a free moodle site for welding related training (Inspection, Basic Welding Theory etc..) . I asked AWS for copyright permission to use some of the terms. They were an extremely long time responding, gave me limited permission, and stated that this was part of their "revenue". I understand it somewhat but it still let me know where they are.

Its not only AWS. I have recently come to the conclusion that training and education is more of a business in which administrators, deans, and overall organizations gain revenue based upon the work of those who are knowledgeable in a specific area.

Back in the late 90's I let my 1st CWI number expire after the 6th year. When I called to see what could be done, they were adamant about me paying a "late fee" on top of the renewal fee. This would have put the cost near or over that of taking the whole test again. When I explained that to them on the phone, I could hear the exasperation in their voice when they realized I would just take the whole test again.

The annual reports in the  WJ's show the revenue generated by various sources. Certification is the big cash cow. I doubt the new forum will make a big dent in both membership or overall revenue however that is my very narrow view of things.  Because of better advertising and promotion, maybe some new members will be generated, maybe some old members that were afraid or restricted from getting on a "public" forum will be allowed. 

But regardless of any future benefits, I can't see the need to get rid of the original forum. I think the original forum would be a tremendous asset to anyone in the industry. I would probably participate in both if the new forum was used as a tool to communicate with staff and address some AWS Specific Questions.

However THE ENTIRE STAFF OF AWS CANNOT match the value of the experience that has been shared on the original forum.

Maybe once the moderators get done with the Pallets and Toilet Seat posts I notified them about, they will take my extra posts off.
Topic My opinion on Welding Forums By pipewelder_1999 Date 07-24-2016 02:08
I think ANYTHING that does away with this forum is a considerable loss to the welding community .  Sure a new AWS Forum with some ACTUAL support from AWS and a few neat and shiny ads in the WJ may very well get some membership up for the new forum but it is my opinion it will take years to get the content up to that contained in this forum. Individuals that are currently online  increasing their knowledge using various resources do so because thats what they like to do.

This original forum works fine as is except for a lack of moderation. The entire source code is open source. A few programmers experience with scripting languages and databases could easily "upgrade" this forum to include some security to minimize spam.

My desire is for AWS to continue with their new forum but keep the "original" and keep the content not only available for everyone, but allowed to continue and grow.

The new forum would be a great resource to get in touch with the ever more difficult to reach AWS Staff. Maybe get a code interpretation done in a manner that is a little more modern, Maybe even have online committee meetings that include individuals other that the often "corporate sponsored" participants. MAYBE EVEN EVERY MEMEBER could vote on committee topics and the results be shown in REAL time.   It would make a great tool for open discussions regarding committee topics, AWS Membership Issues, and other programs offered by AWS.

AWS is about money. But of course I don't work for free either yet anyone that posts content useful to "MEMBERS ONLY" will be working for free.

Welding has been a lifelong experience for me and I get a great deal of enjoyment both expanding my knowledge and helping others.

Many years ago I was trying to make a free moodle site for welding related training (Inspection, Basic Welding Theory etc..) . I asked AWS for copyright permission to use some of the terms. They were an extremely long time responding, gave me limited permission, and stated that this was part of their "revenue". I understand it somewhat but it still let me know where they are.

Its not only AWS. I have recently come to the conclusion that training and education is more of a business in which administrators, deans, and overall organizations gain revenue based upon the work of those who are knowledgeable in a specific area.

Back in the late 90's I let my 1st CWI number expire after the 6th year. When I called to see what could be done, they were adamant about me paying a "late fee" on top of the renewal fee. This would have put the cost near or over that of taking the whole test again. When I explained that to them on the phone, I could hear the exasperation in their voice when they realized I would just take the whole test again.

The annual reports in the  WJ's show the revenue generated by various sources. Certification is the big cash cow. I doubt the new forum will make a big dent in both membership or overall revenue however that is my very narrow view of things.  Because of better advertising and promotion, maybe some new members will be generated, maybe some old members that were afraid or restricted from getting on a "public" forum will be allowed. 

But regardless of any future benefits, I can't see the need to get rid of the original forum. I think the original forum would be a tremendous asset to anyone in the industry. I would probably participate in both if the new forum was used as a tool to communicate with staff and address some AWS Specific Questions.

However THE ENTIRE STAFF OF AWS CANNOT match the value of the experience that has been shared on the original forum.

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